• Linkerbaan@lemmy.worldOP
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    8 months ago

    you have your work cut out for you if you want to prove that the majority of deaths were active military personnel.

    I’m not saying they were active personal. I’m saying the IDF killed many of them and blamed it on Hamas. Even hostages that were released by Hamas said that the IDF helicopter shot at them while they were kidnapped and driving towards Gaza.

    There are multiple israeli journalists that have reported on the IDF receiving orders to indiscriminately shoot at every vehicle they saw since they didn’t know what was Hamas and what wasn’t. And even the IDF shelling kibutzes with hostages inside.

    why did a “justified targeted [military] retaliation”, as you previously put it, result in majority civilian deaths, according to your own source

    I would have loved to see zero civilian casualties by Hamas. But they did kill non combatants that remains true. Those didn’t seem to be orders from above though. Rather a few soldiers that were blinded by rage.

    May 12, 1997: ANC apologizes for deaths in anti-apartheid fight. But says struggle was justified

    The African National Congress formally apologized Monday for the killing of civilians by its guerrilla forces during the ANC’s three-decade struggle against apartheid."We regret the deaths and injuries to civilians arising from armed actions.

    The ANC repeated its position that the armed struggle against the country’s white-ruled government, which began in 1960, was a just war and that civilians had not been deliberately targeted.

    But the ANC statement said some of its guerrillas weren’t sufficiently trained and “were never thoroughly under the discipline of the ANC.”

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      8 months ago

      I’m saying the IDF killed many of them and blamed it on Hamas.

      I highly doubt the IDF was responsible for more than a handful of the 695 civilian deaths.

      Those didn’t seem to be orders from above though. Rather a few soldiers that were blinded by rage.

      Then roughly 2/3 of Hamas soldiers were blinded by rage. Is it supposed to make me feel better that Hamas is comprised of mostly violent morons with no accountability rather than actively commanding their soldiers to murder civilians? Because it doesn’t, and fuck Hamas.