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  • RobotToaster@mander.xyz
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    5 months ago

    a clean, cryptographically secure, government=backed way to ID who is sending us something, and it becomes an expectation to use it all the time

    sounds dystopian.

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      5 months ago

      sounds dystopian.

      So does the total death of objective fact.

      An end to internet anonymity isn’t great, but given the alternative I’ll take it.

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          Truth is never subjective. Truth is Truth. People have different opinions on where the truth lies but there’s is an objective reality to anything.

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          Based, destroy the infantile mind of the materialist objectivist determinist this space is reserved for more future jargon tech-bro.

          Truth is subjective precisely because I can say that the sky is red, and I will be correct. If you ever needed any help understanding that then you should’ve been paying attention to the difference in reporting between ukraine and gaza right now. It’s not just “spin” either, I can plague you with misconceptions, turn you into a conspiracy theorist, warp what you think is really important in life. I can bullshit you, I can call a horse a chair, and I will be correct. Do you understand why there’s no truth now?

          Also fucking weird that the counterargument to “government issued crypto ID” is “well, we don’t want the total death of objective fact, do we?”. those two things definitely seem connected, those seem related. Definitely seems as though we couldn’t just use another adversarial bot to run checks on whether or not any given thing is manufactured, entering into in a perpetual propaganda arms race that corporations and those with money and power are always going to win, in an unregulated and dystopian modern internet. All of which is what’s already fucking happening. Seems like the solution to that would just be to double down on the police state tracking, which I would expect to be something that has concrete repercussions on the powerful, and never the common man, of course.

          Why do we live in hell?

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      5 months ago

      The “government backed” part is ostensibly about a government setting up the framework and like, requiring it be used for official documents.

      It wouldn’t be too hard to stick a private signing key on say, your driver’s license / ID / passport, for instance.

      It’s a complex issue, though, that sits on how much you trust whoever runs the system at some point.

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        Didn’t know where in the tread to reply.

        This is being worked on from multiple angles.

        In the us apple, Google, Microsoft ++ are working on a common framework for this. (Shocking who are working on this in the us)

        The EU has a citizens digital wallet program for the same purpose. These programs are also collaborating so that certificates and proof of personhood/citizenship etc can be exchanged between various actors.

        The EU model leans heavily into privacy and user control of data, where you as an individual decides with whom to share your credentials, proof of personhood, etc.

        This would lead to many possibilities, like for instance being able to confirm digitally prescriptions for medicine across borders, so you can easily get your medication even if you are traveling in another country, without having to spend time and energy getting signed paperwork send back and forth.

        The most simple form of this would be that the system simply verifies that yes, you are indeed a human individual. But can be expanded to confirm citizenship, allow you to share your medical data with institutions, confirm diplomas and professional certification etc.

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      5 months ago

      I already have to send photos of my id or passport for all kinds of services, so it wouldn’t really be that different from doing that, just less inconvenient. Like, delivery services ask for a photo of your id.

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        I have never had them ask for one. I could see them doing that if I went to pick up a package they were holding but I haven’t had to do that.

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          Maybe it’s because I get alcohol delivered at some point. I think it’s the same thing though, when something needs online verification the workaround right now is to just send a photo of id.