President Joe Biden stands to make significant political gains if marijuana is rescheduled under his administrative directive, according to a new survey that reveals majority support for the reform. It also found that marijuana enjoys greater favorability with voters compared to Biden and former President Donald Trump. The poll conducted by Lake Research Partners and […]
In theory the two are supposed to be aligned. Political will is supposed to go up when the politicians do what’s right and down when they do wrong. That’s what is going on here but I agree that they aren’t usually aligned.
On top of the answer you have already received (people forget by the time election rolls around), I’ll be extra pessimistic and say that majority of Americans publicly support progressive policies, but may in private and in the ballot box lean more conservative. If you know you sound like a monster, you might say the nice things in public, but then when not accountable for their image in the ballot box… well…
You might have a point if the poll was asking people about race or any other sensitive topic, but people will not dress up their opinions if they don’t think they’ll get attacked for them. Nobody has their job threatened if they advocate for private health insurance companies.
Sure, not all progressive policies have this phenomenon, but for some, even in a relatively private but not actually private or anonymous context being asked about some policies may elicit a different reaction.
All of the cited policies in that article has a counterpoint that may drive different anonymous private behavior.
They will mean either taxes go up or companies that you buy from may have to spend more money. So it’s incredibly selfish to declare that people shouldn’t have a livable wage, shouldn’t have access to workable income when accommodating a newborn, shouldn’t have access to higher education. However, in the ballot box someone might be very selfish “I make more than minimum wage, so I don’t care, but I do care that it might raise prices, I am not about to have a kid, so happy to screw over those that are for the sake of the companies saving money, I have health insurance and so I don’t care if someone else can’t realistically have it/afford it”.
So you’re saying that in a poll, people would lie and say they want higher taxes but in private they want lower taxes? Why? Wanting lower taxes is, again, not something that would bring on attacks, there is no reason to lie about that. No one’s name is being publicized in this poll either. You’re making up all these odd scenarios to try to get an opposite answer to what is staring you in the face right there.
People argue against a livable wage all the time, though. They just say that those jobs “were never meant to be a career”, that it’s “supposed to be for kids earning extra spending cash”, that “if people want to make good money they need to develop skills”. They’ll tell you that if we interfere in the “free market”, it will wreck the economy, and we’ll all be starving. They’re thrilled to tell you how they, or their parents, made sure to be in a good financial position before having kids, and if people have kids who can’t afford the costs including time off to be good parents, that’s because those people are irresponsible. And on down the line. They’ll shame you for “demanding free stuff”, and walk away feeling smugly superior.
It’s just fundamentally not how human psychology works to publicly acknowledge what you think is good, and then privately work against it. People who do the worst and most selfish things always have a justification for it.
At least that’s the a way I can reconcile all these countless articles that repeatedly show that like 70-80% of people support key policies of the democrat platform, and yet the elections seem to break almost even between republican and democrat. Districting shenanigans and the electoral college can account for some oddities, but the senate keeps being roughly a tie and even the popular vote for president is much closer than all this data suggests it should be.
The Senate is affected by the OG of gerrymandering, giving an enormously greater weight to votes in less populous states.
Most people are not as informed as you. They aren’t analyzing their views on specific issues and voting for the candidates most in alignment with that. They’re voting based on single hot-button issues like abortion or gun control. They’re voting based on the way they feel about a politician. They’re scared of terminology made up to scare them, seeing the Democrats as representing “cultural Marxism” and “critical race theory”. They are in an information bubble that builds a worldview which is complete, compelling, but incorrect, and their votes reflect that.
It doesn’t matter if people support it if they don’t remember it well enough to come out to vote when it matters. You see this with Biden already, people completely missing the effort they have made for tons of work that people support.
Yet republican voters are far more dedicated to voting because the republican party makes bold promises and pushes to do them. Even if it’s as stupid as a border wall, they’ll make that promise and actually get funding for it and build at least part of it. Democrats, though, “it’s not feasible”, “it’s not possible”, “we can’t do that”, “it’s not realistic”. If democrats would show that they at least try, voters would try. No, forgiving a few billion in student loans here or there after letting the problem build up to 1.7 trillion dollars isn’t enough effort. What if instead they said “we will eliminate student loan debt completely” and then work on it, instead of hitting up low-hanging fruit like enforcing existing student loan forgiveness programs that forgive after 10+ years of interest payments?
That’s kind of inevitable, and not such a bad thing. The president is one person. One person shouldn’t be deciding what is right arbitrarily. For the president to be looking at what the people want, that’s a good thing. Now, our democratic systems are deeply flawed, so that “what the people want” and “what improves electoral chances” are not as closely tied as they should be, but that’s another matter.
Yeah it’s basically baked into the system. Politicians will be politicians and there are other checks and balances like the vote that are supposed to keep them reigned in. Not excusing bad behavior on the part of politicans, but as voters we could excercise more control over them if we were more educated and organized. There are too many crappy politicians that aren’t afraid for their jobs.
This is obviously simplifying and ignores other urgent problems like gerrymandering, vote suppression, and money in politics.
It’s not even what’s right in full. Rescheduling helps get us towards legalization someday but rescheduling probably also means people are still going to be sitting in jail for possession until well after 2028.
Ah yes, because it’s not about doing what is right, it’s about political gain. Fuck america so so much.
In theory the two are supposed to be aligned. Political will is supposed to go up when the politicians do what’s right and down when they do wrong. That’s what is going on here but I agree that they aren’t usually aligned.
It’s about doing what is right, but waiting until it’s most politically beneficial before doing it
Not really. I highly doubt it will be rescheduled prior to election when they are just talking about it now.
Voters don’t reward doing the right thing at the wrong time.
Most Americans support progressive policies: https://www.cnbc.com/2019/03/27/majority-of-americans-support-progressive-policies-such-as-paid-maternity-leave-free-college.html
Who is defining the “wrong time” here?
On top of the answer you have already received (people forget by the time election rolls around), I’ll be extra pessimistic and say that majority of Americans publicly support progressive policies, but may in private and in the ballot box lean more conservative. If you know you sound like a monster, you might say the nice things in public, but then when not accountable for their image in the ballot box… well…
You might have a point if the poll was asking people about race or any other sensitive topic, but people will not dress up their opinions if they don’t think they’ll get attacked for them. Nobody has their job threatened if they advocate for private health insurance companies.
Sure, not all progressive policies have this phenomenon, but for some, even in a relatively private but not actually private or anonymous context being asked about some policies may elicit a different reaction.
All of the cited policies in that article has a counterpoint that may drive different anonymous private behavior.
They will mean either taxes go up or companies that you buy from may have to spend more money. So it’s incredibly selfish to declare that people shouldn’t have a livable wage, shouldn’t have access to workable income when accommodating a newborn, shouldn’t have access to higher education. However, in the ballot box someone might be very selfish “I make more than minimum wage, so I don’t care, but I do care that it might raise prices, I am not about to have a kid, so happy to screw over those that are for the sake of the companies saving money, I have health insurance and so I don’t care if someone else can’t realistically have it/afford it”.
So you’re saying that in a poll, people would lie and say they want higher taxes but in private they want lower taxes? Why? Wanting lower taxes is, again, not something that would bring on attacks, there is no reason to lie about that. No one’s name is being publicized in this poll either. You’re making up all these odd scenarios to try to get an opposite answer to what is staring you in the face right there.
People argue against a livable wage all the time, though. They just say that those jobs “were never meant to be a career”, that it’s “supposed to be for kids earning extra spending cash”, that “if people want to make good money they need to develop skills”. They’ll tell you that if we interfere in the “free market”, it will wreck the economy, and we’ll all be starving. They’re thrilled to tell you how they, or their parents, made sure to be in a good financial position before having kids, and if people have kids who can’t afford the costs including time off to be good parents, that’s because those people are irresponsible. And on down the line. They’ll shame you for “demanding free stuff”, and walk away feeling smugly superior.
It’s just fundamentally not how human psychology works to publicly acknowledge what you think is good, and then privately work against it. People who do the worst and most selfish things always have a justification for it.
Some people will happily express that sentiment.
Others might be more reserved…
At least that’s the a way I can reconcile all these countless articles that repeatedly show that like 70-80% of people support key policies of the democrat platform, and yet the elections seem to break almost even between republican and democrat. Districting shenanigans and the electoral college can account for some oddities, but the senate keeps being roughly a tie and even the popular vote for president is much closer than all this data suggests it should be.
The Senate is affected by the OG of gerrymandering, giving an enormously greater weight to votes in less populous states.
Most people are not as informed as you. They aren’t analyzing their views on specific issues and voting for the candidates most in alignment with that. They’re voting based on single hot-button issues like abortion or gun control. They’re voting based on the way they feel about a politician. They’re scared of terminology made up to scare them, seeing the Democrats as representing “cultural Marxism” and “critical race theory”. They are in an information bubble that builds a worldview which is complete, compelling, but incorrect, and their votes reflect that.
The election cycle.
It doesn’t matter if people support it if they don’t remember it well enough to come out to vote when it matters. You see this with Biden already, people completely missing the effort they have made for tons of work that people support.
Yet republican voters are far more dedicated to voting because the republican party makes bold promises and pushes to do them. Even if it’s as stupid as a border wall, they’ll make that promise and actually get funding for it and build at least part of it. Democrats, though, “it’s not feasible”, “it’s not possible”, “we can’t do that”, “it’s not realistic”. If democrats would show that they at least try, voters would try. No, forgiving a few billion in student loans here or there after letting the problem build up to 1.7 trillion dollars isn’t enough effort. What if instead they said “we will eliminate student loan debt completely” and then work on it, instead of hitting up low-hanging fruit like enforcing existing student loan forgiveness programs that forgive after 10+ years of interest payments?
I mean, democracy is supposed to align those two needs.
That’s kind of inevitable, and not such a bad thing. The president is one person. One person shouldn’t be deciding what is right arbitrarily. For the president to be looking at what the people want, that’s a good thing. Now, our democratic systems are deeply flawed, so that “what the people want” and “what improves electoral chances” are not as closely tied as they should be, but that’s another matter.
Yeah it’s basically baked into the system. Politicians will be politicians and there are other checks and balances like the vote that are supposed to keep them reigned in. Not excusing bad behavior on the part of politicans, but as voters we could excercise more control over them if we were more educated and organized. There are too many crappy politicians that aren’t afraid for their jobs.
This is obviously simplifying and ignores other urgent problems like gerrymandering, vote suppression, and money in politics.
It’s not even what’s right in full. Rescheduling helps get us towards legalization someday but rescheduling probably also means people are still going to be sitting in jail for possession until well after 2028.
Why not both, though. Plus not letting Trump be the president (which happens through political gain) is doing what is right.