• Tja@programming.dev
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    11 months ago

    You are free to live you life. Are there armed guards preventing you entering the forest and living off birds you kill with your hands and sleeping on pine needles? Be my guest.

    Or do you mean “we should be free to have farmers work for my food, and have 20 people come build me a house, all for free”?

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      11 months ago

      Are there armed guards preventing you entering the forest and living off birds you kill with your hands and sleeping on pine needles?

      Well, yes, actually. Not without reason, but literally, yes. Typically some combination of public property, private property, and wildlife/safety regulations stop that from being a long-term solution. Depending on how far away from society you go, you can escape scrutiny for a time, but you’ll never be safe from the threat of the cops rolling in and destroying whatever you have and dragging you out for trespassing or violating public land ordinances.

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          The people in this picture worked too, then the system collapsed due to rampant financial speculation and they were made destitute. Along with hundreds and thousands of others. People literally starved to death during this time.

          If your response to the idea that perhaps things could be better for the people who work and contribute labour for your stuff is “well if you don’t like it, go live in the wilderness”, you suck.

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            11 months ago

            Go farming. Grow your own food. Build your own house. Vote for a government that provides social services. Forage. Barter. Get a different job.

            There’s like a thousand solutions.

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              11 months ago

              Sorry, just go farming and build your own house? Do you think those things don’t have significant upfront costs that would be a barrier to people in precarious conditions?

              This is not a serious argument, it’s completely detached from the actual barriers people face in reality

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                11 months ago

                Really, those things have cost? Seriously? No way!

                Next thing you’re going to tell me is that the people who already incurred in those costs (farmers, construction workers) want to earn money to cover those costs and their labor!!

                What a scandal!

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                  11 months ago

                  you seem to lack critical thinking. This type of anecdotal “wisdom” you’ve adopted merely allows you to dismiss the true nuances of undertaking anything you’ve commented. You know more often than not, things are more complicated than a casual glance would suggest.

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                    11 months ago

                    Yes, it’s super complicated “people expect compensation for labor”. It’s PhD stuff.

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        11 months ago

        Lol, even a fast peruse of my comment history will show you that even for European standards I’m quite progressive.

        Which might be why I demand fair compensation for hard working laborers, no matter what online edgelords think they are entitled to.