• DAMunzy@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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      10 months ago

      I’ve seen some ‘if you don’t vote Biden you’re giving a vote to Trump’ Democrats touting a ‘secure border’ as being a positive for Biden. Trying to get 1moderates I guess?

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        10 months ago

        As someone not from the US, “securing the border” and “moderate” seems to be a little contradictory unless you want to imply that straight up fascism is the norm.

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          10 months ago

          How do secure borders and fascism have anything to do with each other? We’ve had borders, passports, visas etc. in some form since the dawn of civilization.

          If you don’t secure your border, what’s the point of even having one? You can’t just let random people wander into your country undocumented… If you did, it wouldn’t be a country.

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              Be careful what you wish for - Canada committed itself to barely restricted immigration, and it’s done untold damage to our country. Our PM proclaimed us “the first post-national state”, but things have only got worse ever since.

              Previously high housing costs are skyrocketing as demand now greatly exceeds supply.

              Healthcare and transportation systems that haven’t seen investment in decades are now being crushed under the load.

              Wages are under strong downward pressure while the cost of living continues to rise relentlessly.

              AI and automation are hollowing out what last good jobs remain, yet our government claims we need ever more people. More, more! More meat for the grinder, more low paid workers to exploit, more sardines to pack into tiny tins for the benefit of the landlord class.

              Most Canadians who were born here or immigrated 10-20 years ago are now talking openly about leaving, but we have nowhere to go. No other country is dumb enough to throw their borders open to us without being very careful to only select those that will bring benefit to their countries, with specific and essential skills.

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            We’ve had borders, passports, visas etc. in some form since the dawn of civilization.

            Borders have not always been so precisely defined, and the strict, universal passport system we have today mostly came out of WW1

            You can’t just let random people wander into your country undocumented… If you did, it wouldn’t be a country.

            What is this xenophobic nonsense? As if physical geography, population, culture, and language have no inertia. But more importantly, why are you concerned with demographic purity as your defining characteristic for a “country”? Why is maintaining this segregation important to you anyway?

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              Fair, I should have stated instead that “the free movement of populations has been controlled” since the dawn of civilization. Usually by guys with spears rather than by means of documents, true. But we live in a time with more freedom of movement than ever before, and the era of WW1 also happened to coincide with large-scale mechanized transport giving more people the option to travel than ever before.

              As for the second part of your comment, rather than rise to the standard bait offered on Lemmy (“muh xenophobia!”) I refer you to my nearby comment, surely visible when you typed this one, that details several ways in which uncontrolled population growth has damaged my country.

              None of which have anything to do with segregation or demographic purity.

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                I’m sorry that your government has failed to fund social services and regulate the housing market. I am unconvinced that this is the fault of migration

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        The DNC bots will always manufacture some existential crisis using fear to get people to vote for their candidate to further there economic agenda. With there not being a democratic primary they have made their choice to risk democracy itself. I will always vote against fascists but don’t shovel me a shit sandwitch and expect me to like eating it. They didn’t even try to give us the illusion of choice between shit sandwiches this time.

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            If it wasn’t trump it’d be something/someone else. I’ve seen this for the past 45 years. It’s the same every election. The republicans use the same tactic “if you dont vote for Bush the democrats are gonna take your guns away”. Every election recycle and repeat.

            Check out a book called Manufacturing Consent and you’ll start seeing how your very own consent has already been manufactured.

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              I’ve also seen this. Gore was one of the most genuine public servants out there (which is apparent when you look at his congressional record), but he was caught in a narrative of “both sides are the same”. I believed that narrative at the time, but it didn’t take long after to persuade me otherwise.