LOS ANGELES (AP) — A new California law that bans people from carrying firearms in most public places was once again blocked from taking effect Saturday as a court case challenging it continues.
A 9th Circuit Court of Appeals panel dissolved a temporary hold on a lower court injunction blocking the law. The hold was issued by a different 9th Circuit panel and had allowed the law to go into effect Jan. 1.
Saturday’s decision keeps in place a Dec. 20 ruling by U.S. District Judge Cormac Carney blocking the law. Carney said that it violates the Second Amendment and that gun rights groups would likely prevail in proving it unconstitutional.
The law, signed by Democratic Gov. Gavin Newsom, prohibits people from carrying concealed guns in 26 types of places including public parks and playgrounds, churches, banks and zoos. The ban applies regardless of whether a person has a concealed carry permit.
Which well regulated militia are you in?
“The people.” Also the US Air Force but that’s a whole different matter. I literally just addressed this in a different post so I’ll just copy and paste.
The “but it says well regulated militia” argument has never been in good faith or intended to be intellectual. It’s just a blatant fallacy that gets repeated over and over in echo chambers hoping to sway uneducated bystanders. It has never held water or been supported by any court case/precedent (to include Miller which was literally argued one-sided without opposition). It is absurd at face value that literally the 2nd right in the list of things the framers wanted to protect the citizens from their government is the government giving itself permission to have arms. It is never meant to make sense or be intellectual, it’s literally just circle-jerking to pretend that it gives them moral superiority for hating a right that they don’t like.
Yes I’m the one arguing in bad faith but this copy pasta which never actually makes an argument isn’t
It’s something I personally typed out right before you responded, not just “copypasta.” It also does make an argument explaining that no court precedent has ever existed limiting the 2A to a collective militia and has been specifically expressed as an individual right in SCOTUS rulings going back well into the mid 19th century. I also explained the ridiculous fallacy of implying that right in-between saying the government can’t restrict your speech, religion or right to privacy they decided that it was super important to specify the government itself had the right to an armed militia. The militia is and has always been the people, so naturally, the people need the right to keep and bear arms. It’s almost like that is why it is exactly what the 2A says and why during it’s creation they even discussed and re-worded it to make sure it was stronger and couldn’t be misconstrued as allowing the government to restrict individuals. But yes, just keep repeating the same argument that has never survived a single court case and has been disproven at every step of the way going back to when the Bill of Rights was written, if you repeat it enough in your echo chamber you might convince some 12 year old that hasn’t actually read any facts yet.
This is the most laughable hogwash I’ve seen today. Needless to say I couldn’t disagree more with the bizarre fantasy you call an opinion
So literally binding supreme court precedent dating back over a century is a bizarre fantasy but a repeatedly debunked fallacy that happens to suit your fancy is just perfect. Got it. Repeating what you want to be true over and over against all reason and evidence doesn’t make it true.
Actually, SCOTUS precedent on the second amendment referring to a personal right only goes back to the Heller decision in 2008.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/District_of_Columbia_v._Heller
I will also note that this decision further held that some restrictions on the second amendment are permissible, although it left the precise boundaries open.
The only thing novel about the reasoning in Heller was it was the first time revisionists tried to argue to SCOTUS that the 2A meant anything but an individual right. Prior to Heller it was very clearly understood to be individual and as the first time it was actually proposed it was specifically shut down. Even Miller, which is often seen as a gun control “win,” references it as an individual right. Now neither Miller nor his lawyer actually showed up for arguments so SCOTUS was limited to only ruling based on the government’s side alone but even with the cards massively stacked the ruling was “sawed off shotguns aren’t useful to the militia so Miller’s 2nd Amendment right to keep and bear arms doesn’t extend to them.” It was very clearly held that he had an individual right, just not to the type of arm he was charged with having. I also drive past short barrel shotguns regularly since they are used all over the Air Force base where I work, but it’s a shame that there is no “use” for them in the military meaning they “aren’t covered…” Gun control started with attempts to disarm Native Americans and flourished in the 20th century to disarm African Americans and other minorities. It has always been routed in racism and one of the most obvious examples is found in the terrible Dred Scott decision. It was brought up that if African Americans received rights and privileges under the Constitution it would include the right to own firearms. It was very specifically known and understood that this was not a collective right at this time and this absolute fact was used as a reasoning to deprive minorities of any rights whatsoever.
Obviously no right is unlimited, but that single sentence from Heller isn’t a “do anything you want” gun control freebie. You can’t ban someone’s speech because they might say something you don’t like. You can’t ban a religion for not being an officially recognized one, look at the CFSM and Scientology. There is absolutely a limit to what constitutes a “bearable arm” so the standard nuke hyperbole is obvious to anyone arguing in good faith. Bearing arms is also not carte blanche to actively brandish and threaten/harm people. It’s illegal to murder someone with a gun and that is obviously not an infringement. Saying that I can’t have the same gun the military protects itself from danger with because there is no use of it in the military isn’t one of these “limits” that was referred to, nor is saying that when vulnerable in public where the government or a 3rd party aren’t actively responsible for my safety I need to disarm to allow criminals the path of least resistance.
The supreme clearly has been wrong before and I don’t know why the fuck you’d even pretend otherwise
They’ve also been right and usually aren’t wrong over and over again spanning back several generations, especially when the intent of the founding fathers was quite clear to any but those wishing to strip rights from people.
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