Out of curiosity I went to exploding-heads.com and it looks like it’s not working anymore. Is there a new place they hang out now? Are they undercover on the regular servers or something? It’d be a little surprising to me if they all just gave up on being active on the Fediverse.

  • Fizz@lemmy.nzEnglish
    791·
    11 months ago

    I’m guessing they left after bring blocked by most instances. After that you may as well just go to another conservative forum.

    • givesomefucks@lemmy.worldEnglish
      1041·
      11 months ago

      Yep

      They don’t want their own instance, they want to troll everyone else.

      So when that instance got defederated, they either just got a new domain using the same infrastructure or their users made accounts on less regulated but still federated instances.

      I’d be really surprised if any of them only had one account to begin with.

      • mo_ztt ✅@lemmy.worldOPEnglish
        536·
        11 months ago

        They don’t want their own instance, they want to troll everyone else.

        I think there is a strong analogy to be made vis-à-vis spending your energy on regulating other people’s sex lives or abortion rights or ability to come into the country or not, versus just living your own life and making it rewarding.

  • highenergyphysics@lemmy.worldEnglish
    7011·
    11 months ago

    Conservatives hate being alone with each other because, surprise, they’re all shit people who just lie and hate 24/7

  • dtc@lemmy.worldEnglish
    4314·
    11 months ago

    My favorite theory is that they realized their similarity to hexbears and tankies and joined that chapter of ‘people who can’t handle living in a mixed society’.

    • awwwyissss@lemm.eeEnglish
      112·
      11 months ago

      And somehow both of them push propaganda aligned with the Kremlin…

          • dtc@lemmy.worldEnglish
            11·
            11 months ago

            Not even being slightly funny about it, that’s my genuine perception on the whole mess.

            There is an aire of irony, though.

    • Spzi@lemm.eeEnglish
      612·
      11 months ago

      ‘people who can’t handle living in a mixed society’

      That’s … both sides, all sides, isn’t it? Specifically for exploding-heads, there were numerous and loud calls on multiple instances to defederate from them.

      • prole@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
        72·
        11 months ago

        Are you for real? You do realize that “mixed society” is referring to actual real life, right?

        • Spzi@lemm.eeEnglish
          56·
          11 months ago

          That wasn’t clear to me. I thought this was about siloed lemmy instances, hence I talked about that.

          I don’t see how their comment makes sense from your perspective. Can you explain? According to that theory, where did the exploding-heads people go, joining the people who can’t handle living in a mixed society in real life? Do you mean they stopped using the internet or how does that help to explain the observation?

          • prole@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
            21·
            11 months ago

            I read it as saying that, despite having ideals on two opposite ends of the spectrum, they’ve found “common ground” of sorts, in a community full of people who can’t handle living in irl “mixed society.”

            In other words, they’re the only people willing to put up with similar behavior to their own I guess? This is all speculation, I haven’t seen what those instances look like these days and don’t really have any interest.

          • dtc@lemmy.worldEnglish
            12·
            11 months ago

            That wasn’t clear to me.

            You can always check context before typing, just saying.

        • Spzi@lemm.eeEnglish
          67·
          11 months ago

          The interesting part is not your personal opinion but the reasoning behind it.

          I have reasons for my position and layed them out. You disagree, and showed that much. I still have my reasons and can’t know yours, so your comment did not change anyones mind or advance the conversation in any way.

    • mo_ztt ✅@lemmy.worldOPEnglish
      1530·
      11 months ago

      I miss the tankies. I assume they’re still around somewhere, but now they’re all drowned out by the “look what I found on Twitter” bros. I didn’t agree with them, but for a while, Lemmy felt like the old internet.

      • dtc@lemmy.worldEnglish
        388·
        11 months ago

        Lmao they got defederated en masse because (drum roll) they were all abrasive pricks. Same with these maga chuds.

        • mo_ztt ✅@lemmy.worldOPEnglish
          179·
          11 months ago

          I’ve argued with both tankies and MAGA people, and the tankies were way more abrasive. Like bad-faith to a degree that’s genuinely hard to believe. I still loved them.

        • mo_ztt ✅@lemmy.worldOPEnglish
          85·
          11 months ago

          Haha excellent. I was completely sincere when I was telling that other guy that Lemmy feels like a monoculture now, and I liked the “tankie vs leftie vs nerd” generation of it way better. When I first came on and it was ideologically diverse I was like “holy shit, score, I’m staying here forever.” Like I say, it felt like the old internet.

              • dtc@lemmy.worldEnglish
                42·
                11 months ago

                Careful, this guy fucks a LOT of black and Spanish girls. Idk why that’s relevant but knowledge should be shared.

                • mo_ztt ✅@lemmy.worldOPEnglish
                  13·
                  11 months ago

                  Yeah. So, I misunderstood a little bit.

                  I have friends IRL who are hard-core into the MAGA propaganda, to the point that they talk to each other online and offline about gearing up for war if the Democrats keep it up. I want to know more about that because it’s relevant and dangerous. It seems important to have a good awareness of what’s up with it in detail. And, in all sincerity, talking with those friends did make me sympathize with them for how the modern online world wants to make them pariahs. I had absolutely no sympathy at the beginning, but at a certain point I “got it” and understood how it feels on their end. I see them more as victims of an incredibly powerful propaganda system than anything else, and I don’t think being antagonistic to them “back,” even though yes they are being hateful, is in any way productive. And yes, that includes interfering with their freedom to be able to say what it is that they sincerely think (“free speech”), in some cases.

                  I was hearing Art Bell and Adbusters and “Off the Hook” (if anyone knows that show) before some of these people were born, so I can have a good amount of sympathy for someone who wants to be anti-establishment, and genuinely feel like I can rock with them depending on where they’re coming from, even if politically I think they’re dead wrong. We can talk about it. Free speech, right?

                  So, I was curious about this. I did go to the exploding-heads replacement and look at it. Honestly? The issue isn’t anything political; the issue is that they just want to be assholes. A good example is the guy who told me “You are a nobody” “You have no brain in your head” “s***” “f******” “dumb f****** b*******” and so on. It’s just vitriol without much of any kind of political subject matter. I can understand why they got defederated so unanimously. No one even pretended to take me up on my offer, hey send me your censored truth over a DM and let’s talk. There’s no politics beyond a vague “fuck Biden” vibe, just shared bitterness that drove everyone else away from even wanting to talk to them. IDK, I’m not into that. I hope they get out of whatever mental trouble leads them to act that way, but it’s not my problem and not something I’m interested in.

                  TL;DR they’re not political, they’re just dicks.

      • dtc@lemmy.worldEnglish
        273·
        11 months ago

        Above you can see ‘Exhibit a’ in my case that hexbears, magas and incels can’t handle free will.

        Notice the mention of a “mixed society” immediately forces them to analyze skin pigmentation and make wild claims in an attempt to regain normality.

        It would be funny if it wasn’t so damn sad.

        Stay triggered by the world’s opinion of your existence 🤙🤙

          • quindraco@lemm.eeEnglish
            41·
            11 months ago

            Trump is, somehow, the worst President we’ve ever had, despite very stiff competition. You have a very sus definition of “goat”.

          • dtc@lemmy.worldEnglish
            2·
            11 months ago

            Dude

            Don’t call me dude you fucking layabout.

            So it’s been a day and I still have no idea how this slice of your life story adds anything. ‘Mixed society’ isn’t exactly a race thing here, I meant differing opinions existing in the shared space. Some people call it ‘culture’.

            Being from a rap group and fucking black chicks isn’t adding to your believability as much here as it does in ‘tHe StReEtZ’. It’s kinda reinforced my point that you’re incapable to plainly existing in a well rounded society.

  • Magnor@lemmy.magnor.ovhEnglish
    201·
    11 months ago

    I’ve seen a couple active on Lemmy.world lately, but nothing out of the ordinary. They’ll be back though, one way or the other. We have to be aware of that.

    • mo_ztt ✅@lemmy.worldOPEnglish
      231·
      11 months ago

      It was, approximately, 4chan reincarnated as a Lemmy instance. They were defederated from more or less everyone more or less instantly.

  • sj_zero@lotide.fbxl.net
    979·
    11 months ago

    They went to nostr or other parts of the fediverse because the lemmyverse is toxic and they were constantly facing attacks of various types. Same thing that happened to wolfballs before it.

    Some of the users might lurk on other servers, but I have my doubts. The point was to have a place they could be free to talk about things the establishment were censoring. Most of the colonizers from Reddit don’t realize those servers existed long before most of what are considered the big Lemmy servers today even existed.

    If the goal was just to troll redditors, there’s always reddit.

    • mo_ztt ✅@lemmy.worldOPEnglish
      724·
      11 months ago

      the lemmyverse is toxic and they were constantly facing attacks of various types

      This is a very subtle but very powerful way of recasting what actually happened. I’ve dealt with this in conversations face-to-face with conservative people who’ve had interactions online, so I know how unfortunately powerful it is.

      I’d be very surprised if any substantial number of the users on exploding-heads got “attacked” – as in, had child porn posted to their servers by their ideological enemies, or got doxxed, or anything like that. What they got was disagreed with, or defended against.

      If you frame being disagreed with as an “attack,” then it means that anything that your enemy says that makes sense is a threat. You have to double down and find a way to “strike back.” Or you have to withdraw from the conversation and talk about you’re “always getting attacked.” If your whole mental model is that way, then anyone at all who might understand the world a little better than you is all of a sudden your enemy, and worst of all, if what they’re saying makes sense, then you must withdraw from the conversation, because now you’re in danger of becoming an “enemy” to your ideological friends, if you start agreeing with that person. It’s like in a big fistfight if you all of a sudden switch sides and start beating up your friends. Why would you do that?

      And so, your viewpoint can never change, because that’s “defeat.” That’s the insidiousness of this whole framing.

      Furthermore, if you’re brigading or trolling or being offensive, and someone blocks you or defederates from you, then you’re being “attacked” or “silenced” or whatever. Any offensive behavior of your own is just good clean fun, even if you’re trying to ruin some feminist critic’s life or posting child porn. Any action that makes it difficult to do that is just evidence that the whole system is rigged against you, and a reason to start whining about unfairness.

      I have a couple of conservative views, and I actually sorta sympathize with the idea that the lemmyverse is pretty one-sided in how it views certain issues. But going beyond that to say exploding-heads was “constantly facing attacks” is only true if you torture the language in a very specific, deliberate, and insidious way.

      The point was to have a place they could be free to talk about things the establishment were censoring.

      I’ve deliberately made a point to express some views here that I know are extremely unpopular (very sincere views of mine, but ones that I know will cause controversy). Not once was I censored or prevented from speaking. On reddit, yes; certain subreddits “on the left” will ban you if you say certain things, although it’s still way more common from the right. Here, I’ve been downvoted all to hell, but Lemmy’s actually configured in a way where (at this scale of userbase) that doesn’t really make much difference to how many people can see your stuff. Not banned or had my stuff removed for ideological reasons even a single time.

      Again, it’s an insidious reframing of language. Your saying “could be free to talk about things” only makes sense if that really means “could be free from anyone else’s ability to disagree.” They’re free to talk here, today, and they always were. What they want is to be able to freely talk and no one else disagree (or to be able to freely threaten or bully anyone who disagrees.) Quite frankly, what you’re saying is bullshit. I’ve gone to conservative forums on reddit and asked, hey, can I talk to you about this topic we’re in, without me being censored? They said sure, we welcome all points of view here, we don’t do censorship. Guess what happened literal minutes later?

      Trump does the same. He literally had all his social media accounts in place, and a podium in the White House where he could literally stand up and say literally anything he wanted into the camera and it’d be broadcast, and he was still whining about censorship. He didn’t mean anything of his was being censored. He meant he was being “censored” from everyone being forced to broadcast his stuff without being allowed to disagree.

      • DABDA@lemmy.worldEnglish
        121·
        11 months ago

        He literally had all his social media accounts in place, and a podium in the White House where he could literally stand up and say literally anything he wanted into the camera and it’d be broadcast, and he was still whining about censorship.

        Clearly, conservative voices are being silenced. (clip is from Death to 2020)

        • mo_ztt ✅@lemmy.worldOPEnglish
          171·
          11 months ago

          Yeah. If you take the statement literally, it’s just kind of silly. When you realize how many people agree with what it actually means – that refusing to rebroadcast conservative viewpoints unchallenged is “silencing” them, and we need to punish people if they’re doing that – it stops sounding funny and starts to sound alarming.

    • grue@lemmy.worldEnglish
      171·
      11 months ago

      They went to nostr or other parts of the fediverse because the lemmyverse is toxic and they were constantly facing attacks of various types. Same thing that happened to wolfballs before it.

      LOL, DARVO much?

      • sj_zero@lotide.fbxl.net
        1·
        11 months ago

        Man, the other day my phone didn’t have internet and popped up and old copy of my lotide. It was a painful reminder of how much more fun it used to be on the threadiverse. Sad that all the fun instances shut down and we end up trapped here with a bunch of boring redditors.