edit: GUYS fuck stalin and fuck tankies, period. i understand that this community is more sensitive than most to pro-stalinist vibes, and i apologize for unintentionally twinging that nerve, but you need stop calling each other (and me) slurs
good heavens, happy new year, fuck incarceration and murder in all forms
(mods pls also do your job and help with the slurs thing)
edit2: big thank u 2 da mods for helping with the slurs thing u guys rock 😎 💕
That’s what happens when citizens break the law and retain their rights in the eyes of the state. They don’t disappear or get mulched into the soil to increase yields.
Here’s a fun article on Survivorship bias
I don’t live in the US but don’t prisoners lose their right to vote and get elected for quite a while?
Depends on local laws of their state, but yes in most states you lose the right to vote while in prison and some places, like Florida, make it difficult to get your right to vote back. Not sure if the prison sentence being for a state or federal crime makes a difference or not.
Yea they lose some rights, life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness are not on the list of rights removed. That’s why the USA has larger prisoner populations.
And slave work is explicitly allowed in prisons, right?
Yeah, I think that’s covered in the 13th amendment.
“Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States…”
Again, my stance is counter to the current establishment. I did not write this amendment nor was I questioned as to my support before it was ratified. This has been the rule of land long before my family came to this hellhole.
What an absolutely ignorant take.
Shall we make a meme about prisoner death/execution counts?
My bad, that doesn’t fit your narrative so it’s a moot point. Lmao y’all are hilarious.
Or just even throw a nod at the well documented systemic racism in our prison “justice” system?
https://deathpenaltyinfo.org/policy-issues/international/executions-around-the-world
The thing about being executed is that you have no chance after the fact to litigate and seek justice.
So which system is more just?
An unjust system is still an unjust system whether or not there are worse systems. What a completely ignorant take.
W phrasing keep it up chad ❤️
when i see the biggest baddest wolf in the forest i would be a fool to seek comfort in his little brother’s teeth
That’s just like, your opinion, man.
https://www.criminallegalnews.org/news/2022/jun/15/racially-disparate-sentencing-patterns-prevalent-amongst-federal-judges/
https://www.npr.org/2022/09/27/1125442683/wrongful-convictions-disproportionately-affect-black-americans-report-shows
My opinions are fact-backed. Yours are ignorant.
Those are articles, not your opinions.
If they are your opinions they are opinion-pieces and frankly I’m hesitant to cite opinion-pieces or use them to build my own world view.
Is it? Why don’t European countries have a similarly high incarceration rate then?
Couldn’t tell ya, I don’t know much about European laws. Just shining some light on statistics regarding the country I live in.
In that case, this seems like a learning opportunity for you.
Western European countries have rule of law and don’t disappear or mulch people when they break the law, letting them retain their rights.
This counterexample would seem to completely undermine your claim that America’s incredibly high incarceration rates are just “what happens” when citizens retain rights after breaking the law.
Well it’s a good thing things aren’t black and white and we ALL get to learn something new. This has been a real hoot.