Tell me you’re living half a decade in the past without telling me. “Ghost cities” are actually areas where the state preplanned urbanization so everything would be in place when people started moving in. In fact, most of these “ghost cities” are actually populated now.
Edit: could someone please explain why I’m being downvoted? I’ve provided a source to back up my statements. Or is this a case of “everything about China is bad because Red Scare”?
There’s another side to this. “Pre-planning” without proper forecast led to the housing crisis we are seeing today in China, with one of the largest developers in China Evergrande defaulting and filing for bankruptcy. A lot of people who were promised a good property and sunk their life savings into the project, now have no choice but to live in unfinished buildings in ghost towns without electricity nor water.
Maybe I am. Like, I won’t pretend to be an expert, but the fact that they said “flooding the market with houses is a sound strategy” on one hand, and said it’s a problem that requires a resolution on the other, just says to me that they don’t know what they’re talking about.
Flooding the market with unfinished buildings? Are you on crack or something? You have to actually finish it to call it “housing”. And again, those property were built to be sold, and they weren’t going to undersell them. Leaving both the buyer and the constructor with no money is not called a “sound strategy”.
Imagine being literally scammed into pouring your life savings into a property that is unfinished without electricity nor water, and then thinking “at least I have something so I shouldn’t complain”? Those people actually had something before, now they’re left with less than nothing.
Sure. Please find me articles about places that have incidents happening in a large scale like this right now then. Or do big companies like Evergrande just default occasionally all over the world in your books?
Yeah some urban preplanning didn’t work out but most of those cities are filled up to the point of working now.
I remember back then all those articles - “China is building empty cities! Ha ha so dumb! Who’s gonna buy that, they all work in factories!”
It’s pretty striking that an .ml user posted a comment defending a verifiable fact, and got 10 downvotes for being “uppity”. Oh, sorry for the Wikipedia link sir, I will think more about respect for all powerful America next time
You guys really need to clean out your brainworms sometime, this shit is embarrassing
I said ghost cities exist, and then you said they didn’t. That’s being defensive and then you went after other people who provided facts and you just got more defensive… and here you are now, being defensive. Do you know what being defensive means?
I don’t give 2 shits who downvotes you or why. Grow thicker skin if you can’t handle the internet son.
Many developments initially criticized as ghost cities did materialize into economically vibrant areas when given enough time to develop, such as Pudong, Zhujiang New Town, Zhengdong New Area, Tianducheng and malls such as the Golden Resources Mall and South China Mall.[15] While many developments failed to live up to initial lofty promises, most of them eventually became occupied when given enough time.[6][16]
Reporting in 2018, Shepard noted that “Today, China’s so-called ghost cities that were so prevalently showcased in 2013 and 2014 are no longer global intrigues. They have filled up to the point of being functioning, normal cities”.[17]
Writing in 2023, academic and former UK diplomat Kerry Brown described the idea of Chinese ghost cities as a bandwagon popular in the 2010s which was shown to be a myth.[18]: 151-152
I gave you three links (not a quote from one person on Wikipedia) with roughly five years between them, including this year, one of which was built in another country by the Chinese. Another would be the half-finished Sihanoukville in Cambodia, which saw China withdraw its investment and left many holding their bags. Overinvestment in areas with millions of empty rooms in China and abroad and a complete waste of resources is only contested by you.
Here’s the summary for the wikipedia article you mentioned in your comment:
Under-occupied developments in China were mostly unoccupied property developments in China, and frequently referred toas"ghost cities"or ghost towns. The phenomenon was observed and recorded as early as2006by writer Wade Shepard, and subsequently reported by news media over the decades. Although a feature of discourse on the Chinese economy and urbanization in China in the 2010s, formerly under-occupied developments have largely filled up.
China has ghost cities with empty apartment buildings. They have tons of resources to waste.
Tell me you’re living half a decade in the past without telling me. “Ghost cities” are actually areas where the state preplanned urbanization so everything would be in place when people started moving in. In fact, most of these “ghost cities” are actually populated now.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Under-occupied_developments_in_China
Edit: could someone please explain why I’m being downvoted? I’ve provided a source to back up my statements. Or is this a case of “everything about China is bad because Red Scare”?
There’s another side to this. “Pre-planning” without proper forecast led to the housing crisis we are seeing today in China, with one of the largest developers in China Evergrande defaulting and filing for bankruptcy. A lot of people who were promised a good property and sunk their life savings into the project, now have no choice but to live in unfinished buildings in ghost towns without electricity nor water.
https://www.aljazeera.com/economy/2023/10/31/crumbling-buildings-and-broken-dreams-chinas-unfinished-homes
https://www.reuters.com/markets/asia/china-home-buyers-occupy-their-rotting-unfinished-properties-2022-09-26/
I haven’t got into the article that much but sure, nothing is perfect.
Is it better to not even try and pretend its acceptable for people to be homeless, like they do almost everywhere else?
They’re not building apartments to give out to homeless people for free here. People actually had to pay for those properties and were scammed.
keeping the population homeless is better?
Am I talking to a brick wall or what?
You’re playing pigeon chess my friend.
Maybe I am. Like, I won’t pretend to be an expert, but the fact that they said “flooding the market with houses is a sound strategy” on one hand, and said it’s a problem that requires a resolution on the other, just says to me that they don’t know what they’re talking about.
i have the feeling im the one talking to a brick wall.
would you rather pay rent to a banker for the rest of your life? flooding the market is a sound strategy to make cheap housing.
Flooding the market with unfinished buildings? Are you on crack or something? You have to actually finish it to call it “housing”. And again, those property were built to be sold, and they weren’t going to undersell them. Leaving both the buyer and the constructor with no money is not called a “sound strategy”.
“Nothing is perfect” Is a hell of a way to minimize the enormity of the issue. Like wow…
at least you have something to criticize, ill take it over literally nothing any day.
Imagine being literally scammed into pouring your life savings into a property that is unfinished without electricity nor water, and then thinking “at least I have something so I shouldn’t complain”? Those people actually had something before, now they’re left with less than nothing.
you are acting as if everything was a big scam and literally everyone lost everything.
in reality this same thing happens occasionally all over the world all the time and has many possible paths for resolution.
Sure. Please find me articles about places that have incidents happening in a large scale like this right now then. Or do big companies like Evergrande just default occasionally all over the world in your books?
I stated a fact and you bent over backwards trying to prove anyone who agreed with me was wrong.
Ghost cities are real. It wasn’t a ‘everything about China is bad’ comment like you whined so that’s why you’re getting downvoted.
Why get all defensive anyway? Is someone paying you to defend China from any criticism? You come across like you’re simping for China.
Do you get upset when people talk about winnie the poo?
Defensive like downvoting facts?
Yeah some urban preplanning didn’t work out but most of those cities are filled up to the point of working now.
I remember back then all those articles - “China is building empty cities! Ha ha so dumb! Who’s gonna buy that, they all work in factories!”
It’s pretty striking that an .ml user posted a comment defending a verifiable fact, and got 10 downvotes for being “uppity”. Oh, sorry for the Wikipedia link sir, I will think more about respect for all powerful America next time
You guys really need to clean out your brainworms sometime, this shit is embarrassing
I said ghost cities exist, and then you said they didn’t. That’s being defensive and then you went after other people who provided facts and you just got more defensive… and here you are now, being defensive. Do you know what being defensive means?
I don’t give 2 shits who downvotes you or why. Grow thicker skin if you can’t handle the internet son.
65 million empty according to your link.
A myth is something which never existed. They do:
https://www.bbc.com/news/business-67610677 https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20170223-chinas-zombie-factories-and-unborn-cities https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-17390729
I gave you three links (not a quote from one person on Wikipedia) with roughly five years between them, including this year, one of which was built in another country by the Chinese. Another would be the half-finished Sihanoukville in Cambodia, which saw China withdraw its investment and left many holding their bags. Overinvestment in areas with millions of empty rooms in China and abroad and a complete waste of resources is only contested by you.
Some more here: https://allthatsinteresting.com/chinese-ghost-cities
And here: https://www.businessinsider.com/china-ghost-town-deserted-chinese-mega-villas-overrun-farmers-2023-7?op=1
And here: https://uschinatoday.org/features/2022/01/11/cities-lost-in-limbo-are-chinas-ghost-cities-here-to-stay/
Here’s the summary for the wikipedia article you mentioned in your comment:
Under-occupied developments in China were mostly unoccupied property developments in China, and frequently referred to as "ghost cities" or ghost towns. The phenomenon was observed and recorded as early as 2006 by writer Wade Shepard, and subsequently reported by news media over the decades. Although a feature of discourse on the Chinese economy and urbanization in China in the 2010s, formerly under-occupied developments have largely filled up.article | about
It’s the attitude we don’t appreciate.
Also, you’re on the back foot to start with on a .ml account.