It hurts both their users and us. The federation is now more divided for no good reason.
If they wanted to create a private community from the start that would be perfectly fine. But they let people sign up and create big communities that everyone else now relies on and then defederated. Isn’t that a bit irresponsible?
Isn’t it a bit irresponsible to let bigoted trolls post a lot of dick pics? Because that’s what was going on. You’re talking about [theoretical problems], but the mods of Beehaw made a (possibly flawed) call during an emerging situation to avoid a lot of [actually existing problems].
Are you saying that the only possible actions are to allow trolls or defederate? It seems to me that there are also other, better solutions. If their decision was flawed, we should be able to criticize it.
I don’t think that’s a realistic solution right now so it makes sense they wouldn’t try to do that. Scrambling to come up with a bunch of custom features using random volunteers is not likely to go well and won’t solve the problem within a suitable timeline. They are definitely talking about what kind of improvements they want and are coordinating with the admins of the other instances so everyone is on the same page. From everything I’ve seen everyone involved is doing the best they can and trying to work towards improving Lemmy. That’s great you can help with dev work, it looks like there’s going to be a whole bunch of things to do so I’d encourage you to check out the Lemmy github and see where you can help out.
I’m saying they could have asked for help and let us solve the issue together instead of cutting their users off from the outside world. No other instance had to defederate.
Is it really so hard to get more moderators and ask for help with developing the tools?
The fact that other instances aren’t moderated to the same standard means that Beehaw is at fault?
Are you saying all instances should be so obsessed with protecting users from possible harassment as to cut off their communication with the outside world without even asking them first?
It doesn’t matter now though. The damage they did matters less and less each day as other instances are getting more and more users. But even if they federate again, we should probably never post on their communities in case they do this again in the future.
These big communities were formed by people who may or may not have understood what federation means. This is the inherent implication that comes with subscribing to a community that is located on a separate instance. As long as the moderation tools are insufficient to stop rampant trolling, this is the only real reaction the instances have available If they are not willing to add a whole bunch of moderators.
Irresponsible is visiting other instances and not recognizing that what you post also reflects on your instance.
It hurts both their users and us. The federation is now more divided for no good reason.
If they wanted to create a private community from the start that would be perfectly fine. But they let people sign up and create big communities that everyone else now relies on and then defederated. Isn’t that a bit irresponsible?
Isn’t it a bit irresponsible to let bigoted trolls post a lot of dick pics? Because that’s what was going on. You’re talking about [theoretical problems], but the mods of Beehaw made a (possibly flawed) call during an emerging situation to avoid a lot of [actually existing problems].
Are you saying that the only possible actions are to allow trolls or defederate? It seems to me that there are also other, better solutions. If their decision was flawed, we should be able to criticize it.
Lemmy seems to be fairly basic and limited currently when it comes to moderation, especially across instances.
I haven’t seen them asking the community to make better tools (I could have helped) or with moderation.
I don’t think that’s a realistic solution right now so it makes sense they wouldn’t try to do that. Scrambling to come up with a bunch of custom features using random volunteers is not likely to go well and won’t solve the problem within a suitable timeline. They are definitely talking about what kind of improvements they want and are coordinating with the admins of the other instances so everyone is on the same page. From everything I’ve seen everyone involved is doing the best they can and trying to work towards improving Lemmy. That’s great you can help with dev work, it looks like there’s going to be a whole bunch of things to do so I’d encourage you to check out the Lemmy github and see where you can help out.
they’re literally doing that right now
are they supposed to just sit and let trolls keep coming in while they do it???
I’m saying they could have asked for help and let us solve the issue together instead of cutting their users off from the outside world. No other instance had to defederate.
That argument is circular nonsense.
They couldn’t have realized the full scope of the lack of mod tools until someone made it a problem.
So your argument seems to be based on Beehaw being at fault for not being able to see the future?
The fact that other instances aren’t moderated to the same standard means that Beehaw is at fault?
Is it really so hard to get more moderators and ask for help with developing the tools?
Are you saying all instances should be so obsessed with protecting users from possible harassment as to cut off their communication with the outside world without even asking them first?
It doesn’t matter now though. The damage they did matters less and less each day as other instances are getting more and more users. But even if they federate again, we should probably never post on their communities in case they do this again in the future.
they’re literally doing that right now
are they supposed to just sit and let trolls keep coming in while they do it???
No, that is moderation.
These big communities were formed by people who may or may not have understood what federation means. This is the inherent implication that comes with subscribing to a community that is located on a separate instance. As long as the moderation tools are insufficient to stop rampant trolling, this is the only real reaction the instances have available If they are not willing to add a whole bunch of moderators.
Irresponsible is visiting other instances and not recognizing that what you post also reflects on your instance.