The Pope allows “blessings” of gay couples but strictly outside of the contexts of anything resembling a marriage and actively opposes actual sanctification of a same sex or transgender marriage. I won’t argue it’s better than their kick in the face policy they used to have but that kernel of homophobia where they are treated as an illegitimate form of family unit is still alive and well and low key still impacting the worlwide fight to end the precarity around civil same sex unions.
Fighting between “they should be kicked in the teeth” and "they should be shut out in the cold but with a kind word to speed them on their way " is still an everybody the asshole situation.
I would personally love if they decided to ditch the Pauline chapters as their key guiding principles and stop listening to the jerk who canonically hallucinated Jesus after being hit in the head with a rock. Like… When most of your contradictions of Jesus’s teachings are from one guy with that particular pedigree maybe give it less weight?
Is where a lot of early Christians got their message and first ideas of Christianity from. He never met Jesus when Jesus was alive. From the writings it’s easy to get a vibe that he was a sex repulsed asexual who didn’t want anybody to have sex. That it be within the confines of marriage and strictly procreative in purpose in that context reads a bit more like a concession to the practicality of his followership being a majority bunch of allosexuals. Jesus didn’t say much about sex outside of marriage and even refused to carry out punishments levied against adulterers. Arguably because God’s law is not for people to judge. Side note - Given that “washing of feet” is sometimes used as a period euphemism for sex and “feet or foot” often used to refer to the male member… Well Mary Magdeline drying his “feet” with her “hair” may not have been referring to the hair on her head so to speak and Jesus may have been fairly sex positive.
But back to Paul. Paul comes along and writes rather eloquently about how he had a vision and that Jesus signed off on him… But the bits that biblically vouch for Paul’s authority as personally invested by Jesus is all written of by Paul. Dude basically pulled a "here’s the rules I wrote about why the rules I wrote are rules. Paul’s teachings being included in the Bible does make sense from the perspective of figuring out where certain cultural aspects of Christianity came from. By establishing himself as an early authority he basically got to codify and pass his veiws off as gospel… But his stuff is also lousy with contradictions because people used him as an easy way to hijack stuff. Out of the 27 bible sections attributed to him only 14 show consistency in syntax and style prompting the belief that there are more than a few forgeries slipped into the mix.
In general what we can gather from Paul’s veiws is he is pro-establishment. He preaches that government rule is legitimate and backed by God. He is where we get such gems as women not being eligible for priesthood (aside from the exceptions of the one he elevated) and that leadership “dignity” and authority in the Church was a suitable reward for supplying the church with material wealth and resources.
He also was fairly dismissive and even supportive of slavery framing metaphorically everyone as slaves to Jesus first… Which was pretty rich given he was hobnobbing with rich folks and encouraging them to support the church he was building. Modern Christian scholarship gets around this by proclaiming that slavery at the time “really wasn’t all that bad” … Which is bullshit. Slavery at the time absolutely was chattel slavery. You were legally allowed to do whatever you wanted to slaves including killing them and the children of slaves became your property by extention. This all makes sense for Paul though because he fetishized suffering making him a solid foundation for the Christian martyr complex. A lot of the things the Church has been criticized for - the abuses of power, the hoarding of wealth the frank misogyny and exploitation… A lot of it finds it’s justification in Paul.
Paul’s inclusion in the bible does make sense…I just don’t think it does from an actual “this is what the intentions of Jesus were” kind of way. Problem is too many people read every inclusion in the book as though it is a tacit endorsement of everything in there and not just citations of early deviations in the intergenerational game of telephone.
My Grans and Gramps on my Mum’s side were major critics of Paul and I think three generations down it’s the best gift we coulda had. Growing up with zero religious trauma coming from inside the house was a blessing. My fam are the most lovable and happy buncha muppets you can find.
The Pope allows “blessings” of gay couples but strictly outside of the contexts of anything resembling a marriage and actively opposes actual sanctification of a same sex or transgender marriage. I won’t argue it’s better than their kick in the face policy they used to have but that kernel of homophobia where they are treated as an illegitimate form of family unit is still alive and well and low key still impacting the worlwide fight to end the precarity around civil same sex unions.
Fighting between “they should be kicked in the teeth” and "they should be shut out in the cold but with a kind word to speed them on their way " is still an everybody the asshole situation.
I would personally love if they decided to ditch the Pauline chapters as their key guiding principles and stop listening to the jerk who canonically hallucinated Jesus after being hit in the head with a rock. Like… When most of your contradictions of Jesus’s teachings are from one guy with that particular pedigree maybe give it less weight?
Mind giving some context on the Pauline chapters thing? Seems interesting AF to spend an afternoon on.
Alright so wiki link to getcha started here: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_the_Apostle
Is where a lot of early Christians got their message and first ideas of Christianity from. He never met Jesus when Jesus was alive. From the writings it’s easy to get a vibe that he was a sex repulsed asexual who didn’t want anybody to have sex. That it be within the confines of marriage and strictly procreative in purpose in that context reads a bit more like a concession to the practicality of his followership being a majority bunch of allosexuals. Jesus didn’t say much about sex outside of marriage and even refused to carry out punishments levied against adulterers. Arguably because God’s law is not for people to judge. Side note - Given that “washing of feet” is sometimes used as a period euphemism for sex and “feet or foot” often used to refer to the male member… Well Mary Magdeline drying his “feet” with her “hair” may not have been referring to the hair on her head so to speak and Jesus may have been fairly sex positive.
But back to Paul. Paul comes along and writes rather eloquently about how he had a vision and that Jesus signed off on him… But the bits that biblically vouch for Paul’s authority as personally invested by Jesus is all written of by Paul. Dude basically pulled a "here’s the rules I wrote about why the rules I wrote are rules. Paul’s teachings being included in the Bible does make sense from the perspective of figuring out where certain cultural aspects of Christianity came from. By establishing himself as an early authority he basically got to codify and pass his veiws off as gospel… But his stuff is also lousy with contradictions because people used him as an easy way to hijack stuff. Out of the 27 bible sections attributed to him only 14 show consistency in syntax and style prompting the belief that there are more than a few forgeries slipped into the mix.
In general what we can gather from Paul’s veiws is he is pro-establishment. He preaches that government rule is legitimate and backed by God. He is where we get such gems as women not being eligible for priesthood (aside from the exceptions of the one he elevated) and that leadership “dignity” and authority in the Church was a suitable reward for supplying the church with material wealth and resources.
He also was fairly dismissive and even supportive of slavery framing metaphorically everyone as slaves to Jesus first… Which was pretty rich given he was hobnobbing with rich folks and encouraging them to support the church he was building. Modern Christian scholarship gets around this by proclaiming that slavery at the time “really wasn’t all that bad” … Which is bullshit. Slavery at the time absolutely was chattel slavery. You were legally allowed to do whatever you wanted to slaves including killing them and the children of slaves became your property by extention. This all makes sense for Paul though because he fetishized suffering making him a solid foundation for the Christian martyr complex. A lot of the things the Church has been criticized for - the abuses of power, the hoarding of wealth the frank misogyny and exploitation… A lot of it finds it’s justification in Paul.
“He is where we get such gems as women not being eligible for priesthood (aside from the exceptions of the one he elevated)”
Oh yeah, this guy’s teachings are absolutely the word of God to many people.
Great post too.
Thank you!
Paul’s inclusion in the bible does make sense…I just don’t think it does from an actual “this is what the intentions of Jesus were” kind of way. Problem is too many people read every inclusion in the book as though it is a tacit endorsement of everything in there and not just citations of early deviations in the intergenerational game of telephone.
My Grans and Gramps on my Mum’s side were major critics of Paul and I think three generations down it’s the best gift we coulda had. Growing up with zero religious trauma coming from inside the house was a blessing. My fam are the most lovable and happy buncha muppets you can find.
Thanks a lot!