This is a rant post and I apologize but I had to talk about this. Most subs are coming back online and not saying ANYTHING about the next steps. Only a handful of subs are going indefinite. I checked the front page for the first time today after leaving the a couple hours before the day of the blackout and what do I see? Subs are up, and comments and upvotes are up to the general average before the blackout.
I checked r/gaming to see their recent post (WHICH HAS OVER 68k UPVOTES), and I see a comment with over 500 upvotes saying in a nutshell, “You guys need to calm down, they’re a company and need to make money”.
Along with a couple other comments saying similar things. Are you fucking serious? You can’t even have the fucking balls to say, “This is a company that has consistently screwed over its users and I need to take a stand and quit my addiction”? You’re just gonna sit and do nothing? Fuck you. You’re no fucking better than u/spez. You’re all a bunch of fucking hypocritical liars for shitting on spez and the admins while talking about how you’re “done” with Reddit and you won’t support this.
Go touch grass you fucking addicted cowards. I’m glad I made the switch to Lemmy if it means I don’t have to interact with dumbfucks like you.
Instead of resorting to anger or insults, let’s strive for respectful discussions. Respectful dialogue is key to maintaining a thriving community.
You’re right, I apologize. This came from a place of frustration. I just don’t understand how you could even reason with these people at this point if users are just gonna go back to the way things are and not give a shit.
The last thing I want is for Lemmy to turn toxic like Reddit did.
Some prioritize Reddit’s convenience, others focus on the company’s actions. The majority seem to not care. That doesn’t mean we can’t make something special here! This is a community created and maintained open-source project and I have a feeling it isn’t going anywhere yet.
You mentioned convenience. A big part of that is absolutely having a mobile client. And with so many freaking clients being developed across iOS and Android for Lemmy, that is going to attract so many users. Imagine a Lemmy client as fleshed out as Apollo for iOS, or Boost for Android. When casual users notice this and Lemmy.world blows up, it’s going to create a wave effect across the entire internet. I do have some hope because of this.
(Of course, Lemmy.world does have some stability issues but I have no doubt they’ll be ironed out)
Exactly this.
This might sound stupid, I just heard an interview with the Apollo app dev and I would love to have him adjust the backend to make it work with lemmy.
In the interview he said he really wants to continue working on it if possible in any way and I’ve heard somewhere that out of convenience the API is basically the same as Reddit, so that would make adjusting it much easier.
The only thing we need is his attention, his motivation, and maybe a little bit of a budget for him. Maybe if we could crowdfund his development this could kickstart something…
The official Reddit app is not as bad as some of you make it out to be. Still a thousand times more userfriendly than here if we’re being honest.
I’ve spent some hours using the official app and god is it laggy. Click a post, see a stuttering post open animation, need to wait for 2s to start scrolling with frame drops to 10fps. Then it smooths out 5s later until it finds a big comment and starts stuttering again. Videos don’t play, every action is delayed.
This is not on some budget phone, I’m on a Google Pixel 7. Been using Relay and other third party Reddit apps for 12 years at this point and I’ve never even seen a single framedrop in those.
And this doesn’t even mention the insane amount of ads inserted into the feed because I filtered those out using Revanced already.
I honestly thought I was the only one having a difficult time. For some reason the Mlem app crashes on me constantly. I like it but it’s basically unusable for me. The mobile site isn’t great for me either. I feel dumb but I’m not that tech savvy and I’m having a rough time trying to get used to Lenny.
I haven’t gone back to Reddit because I do strongly believe in the protest.
I’m trying out the Memmy app and it has less crashes. Might want try it out.
Is that in TestFlight?
I’m trying out the Memmy app and it has less crashes. Might want try it out.
I uninstalled and reinstalled Mlem and that seems to have fixed it for me.
This, to me, is a good thing. Everyone here will have an easier time forming an initial community, as we all have a common agreement on how we would like to see the internet/social media work in the future. We’re all on the same page as to our frustrations.
I’ll co-sign that. They can have their place and we’ll have ours.
respectful discussions don’t mean much if the person isn’t arguing in good faith though right
I mean, this guy literally just said find another app - the whole point is there won’t be other apps
For some reason I read that as “manipulating a thriving communjty”…
I understand that it’s frustrating but getting this angry about anonymous strangers using reddit is a bit mental
Still over 5K subs are dark: https://reddark.untone.uk/ It will be interesting to see how that changes over time.
Thing is, if hypothetically only 20% of those subs that are still dark have over 500k subs, what difference does it make?
What I mean is, if most of those subs that are still dark are subs that are not thriving, then the impact would negligible I would aassume.
Nobody cares about small subs until it’s your niche hobby sub.
By that counter more subs chose to stay dark than go public again.
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By that counter more subs chose to stay dark than go public again.
Selection Bias.
Everyone who is genuinely sick of Reddit’s shit is either left or leaving. The remainder will be the folks that just keep licking that boot.
Also, cannot be overemphasize how much activity on Reddit is just bots.
It is rather disappointing, to say the least. I was reading /r/technology and there are a ton of posts to the tune of, fuck you, I just want my official Reddit app to work. It really bums me out, but I guess the silver lining is that those scabs are exactly the trash we probably don’t want on Lemmy.
it makes sense that only the people who are meh or okay about the situation are left lol
In a way, that’s maybe not even a bad thing…
See that’s the thing. People keep saying that. But is that really what’s happening? Because as I said, from a quick glance nothing has changed. There hasn’t been a substantial drop in content, upvotes, comments. It looks EXACTLY the same as it did three days ago.
So, either the people that DID leave and took it seriously are a small minority, or the majority of Reddit is full of hypocritical liars. Right?
Actually I’m skeptical about this. There were some other posts pointing out huge upvotes happening during the blackout, and others noticing a surge of bot followers appearing.
So I’m not sure that I trust those numbers at this point.
The other point is - it’s too soon to tell. But if advertisers and investors start having second thoughts about Reddit then that hurts the IPO.
The key isn’t in how many subs come back or how many folks return. It’s about getting Reddit’s attention by affecting what they care about most so that they have to start listening to their users again.
Too soon to tell, but that just means that at this point in time, it’s not a failure. Have hope!
With potentially hundreds of millions of dollars on the line, reddit would 100% fudge the numbers with vote manipulation and bots.
I dunno - isn’t that essentially a jail sentence if uncovered? Misleading of investors?
Misleading investors is only illegal if you get caught. /s
All jokes aside it’s actually very difficult to prove “misleading investors / defrauding investors” in court.
Didn’t stop the robo-comments to the FCC about net neutrality…
Read some posts here today as well about mods who got removed and replaced so some subs could be reopened. Just word of mouth, but wouldn’t put it past the admin team. Read a news article today about some effects being felt by advertisers, so could be a mitigation effort in some part.
It was very clearly a very small minority that cared.
There’s a drop in historical content though, a lot of us who will have posted stuff that people would later want to refer to that is no longer there because we wiped it all before going.
I’m okay just finding a niche community that aligns more with my perspective. Even if it didn’t dent Reddit’s numbers like many has hoped, more people have joined here much more quickly than I would’ve thought. While it also may be a hindrance to some, I think it’s quite fascinating being a part of a rapidly expanding community going through growing pains. I have no idea how this will pan out, but I’m glad I’m here for the ride.
I honestly prefer the smaller community right now. I feel like I can comment and post without a huge group of people barraging me because I may have a different opinion.
The community here is quite cozy, and we have agency in the development of it. It’s very exciting.
Yes, there is a logical inconsistency in the statements about how many users are actually affected. On one hand Reddit claims to lose a lot of money on advertising, yet the 3.part app userbase is a too small to care about. So which is it?
There already is a noticeable change. The remaining users are very angry right now, understandably so, but it may also hint at more hidden problem for Reddit.
As this topic suggests (and my experience is the same) it’s really toxic over there right now.
If the toxic behaviour doesn’t normalize soon then Reddit shouldn’t worry about users leaving, they ought to worry about what kind of users remain. There probably has been a some brain drainage in the userbase and it will get worse when the apps actually close. Who wants to sign up for that…
As a 12 year reddit user, I assure you the majority of reddit is full of paid spammers and bots. The numbers have been as artificial as Twitter’s for a while.
I think there’s probably not many of us unfortunately.
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They’re better off there and we’re better off here.
Man if you are that pissed by this, your life must be a nightmare.
You don’t have control over what others do. You can only control your own actions. See, you are giving the control of your happiness to the rest of the world.As a lifelong coder and Free and Open-Source Software (FOSS) champion, I’ve come to a critical realization: the majority of folks are tech-disinterested to the point of stubbornness. A whopping 80% won’t lift a finger to make their digital lives better, not even if it means spending a measly five minutes. Tech nuances, innovations, platforms? They couldn’t care less. But guess who loves these tech-phobic masses? Big Tech, that’s who. These are their dream users, the last to hop onto any tech trend, yet the most dogged in clinging to their tools till they’re six feet under.
However, the remaining 20% exhibits a different dynamic. An 80-20 split reigns here too. The larger slice contains folks who will actually consider switching things up, give new tech a shot, learn a thing or two. The tinier sliver? Those are the folks ready to take on the tech titans, to build fresh software to go toe-to-toe with them. Their ranks may be small, but don’t underestimate them. Some even hit the jackpot (Linux, for instance).
Jesus, this is the energy I wish was left behind on Reddit. People staying on Reddit does not impact you in any way, why does it enrage you to this extent? Who gives a shit if they continue to subject themselves to ads and bring under the control of a corporation? They don’t care, why do you? It is a waste of your energy, and the sheer toxicity of calling them dumbfuck cowards, saying they’re as bad as spez, is just ridiculous and pathetic.
Maybe I should switch to a smaller lemmy, if this is the vibe redditors want to bring to lemmy.
Yes, they are a company. Yes, they need to make money. That’s what companies need to do. Especially if the rumors that they are looking to do an IPO are true.
Thay doesn’t mean they need to be shitty about it. That’s why I’m here making this comment, not making a comment on Reddit.
Does it upset me that Reddit is being so shitty (and has been so shitty in the past)? Yes. But I can’t control that. I can only control my reaction. So now I’m here trying to make the best of it.
Don’t be mad. Be happy they decided to stay and lick the boot. Do you want to have them here? Poison this site too?
I mean, I tend to become incredibly toxic the moment I feel grumpy. Having mostly decent users around me helps keeping my bs in check. Fuck them. We can built something way more beautiful.
Once I understand how the fuck this site works.
“Leave the multimillion dollar corporation alone”
Heh. You should have seen the post I did to recruit replacement mods.
But, seriously? A lot of these are copy/pastes. Word for word. And they’re all somehow massively upvoted beyond anything else where they occur.
Like, on the edc sub, an amazing comment might have a thousand upvotes. Some of these “fake” comments had triple or more than that. And, insert surprise face almost none of them had any history in the sub. They’d never commented, never posted, didn’t have the sub in their “commonly used” header.
I suspect a combination of active fuckery on an admin level, active fuckery by user groups using sock puppets, and a tiny fragment of actually upset users. I can directly say that admins ignored the fuck out of the one thing I sent them a report on, which was a death threat. Said it didn’t violate reddit rules. K.
We already know that greedypigboy engages in fuckery like editing shit, and that he’s actively seeking to root out anyone objecting to his fuckery. So, yeah, I 100% believe he’s actively working on some part of this too.
As an example of why there’s some group coordinating shit, the prevalence of “coward” in these copy/pasted rants is unusual. For one thing, it doesn’t fit the actual events, so it points to a deep misunderstanding of the word coward. Then, it gets used so frequently that it boggles the mind that so many people have the same misunderstanding. This points to a small group of idiots running a campaign issuing sock puppets.
Since a decent number of the comments like this looked the same as the typical bot account, with a few months of use, but minimal activity outside of complaints, I’m not sure if I believe any of them are individual users expressing themselves. Those comments have a different feel to them than the copy/paste ones.
What is the context for the nft site?
that’s exactly the type of person I’m trying to avoid by using reddit alternatives, let him stay over there
I’m honestly hoping the fediverse DOESN’T get as big as reddit because the quality of submissions and discussion will suffer
