• andrew_bidlaw@sh.itjust.works
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    11 months ago

    there was no mass murder

    Go fuck yourself with a fork if 1139, or even 500 isn’t a mass murder in your dictionary, I don’t feel like I want to talk to you. You don’t help palestinians by downplaying what hamas bastards did to jews while enjoying golf courses in Quatar.

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      Fuck yourself first asshole they used this excuse to declare a genocide and it comes out Israeli leadership fucking funded Hamas and allowed this shit to happen.

      Hamas sucks but everything they did has Israeli hands helping and now Israeli hands are committing genocide.

      How fuckin stupid are you?

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          Yes i absolutely will excuse Hamas. They’re a rabid angry abused dog taunted and then their owner secretly unlocked the fence and cried “what a bad dog look what it did to me!”

          Israel is the start and end of this Hamas is a pawn. Fuck off idiot.

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            11 months ago

            You are honest about that. I’d give you that. It feels refreshing to find an opponent who stays by their ideals. Thinking you are terminally wrong, I respect you still being there.

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          11 months ago

          Excuse Hamas for what?

          Launching an attack on a white supremacist settler-colonialist state that has been waging war on Palestinians since 1949?

          I think it is you that needs to get lost.

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              Killing a thousand of people is ok, right?

              Not keeping up with current events, are you?

              Or are you just so desperate to cling to your pro-Israeli narrative that you will simply ignore them?

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                11 months ago

                Do you suggest I’ve hallucinated all these killings done by Hamas? They did indeed happened. There are still hostages kept by them in Gaza.

                IDF isn’t right using that as a reason to murder 10x more. Netanyahu should be roped on the closest tree branch if you’d ask me. But israelis doing these crimes don’t excuse Hamas’s attack. It is still a morbid act of terror that should be remembered and acted upon.

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                  Do you suggest I’ve hallucinated all these killings done by Hamas?

                  It’s down to below your hysterical “thousands” now, apologist… you know what that means? It means Hamas showed far more restraint during their attack than Israel has in all it’s genocidal existence.

                  Netanyahu should be roped on the closest tree branch

                  You can shove your “let’s-pretend-this-is-all-Netenyahu’s-fault” narrative where the sun don’t shine. Israel has been a genocidal white supremacist settler-colonialist state since the day it was created.

                  But israelis doing these crimes don’t excuse Hamas’s attack.

                  No. It thoroughly justifies Hamas’s attack. It would still be justified if Hamas carried out ten similar attacks. Israel is a white supremacist settler-colonialist state - the use of force against it is justified by default.

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                    I’d cheer you for being so stubborn. It sure needs a lot of effort to stay this way.

                    Do you suggest I’ve hallucinated all these killings done by Hamas? It’s down to below your hysterical “thousands” now, apologist… you know what that means? It means Hamas showed far more restraint during their attack than Israel has in all it’s genocidal existence.

                    So with that much restraint it means their act of terror is justified? That they could freely kill as long as they don’t go off IFD’s treshold? Hamas are monsters and I’m surprised you are covering their crimes.

                    Netanyahu should be roped on the closest tree branch You can shove your “let’s-pretend-this-is-all-Netenyahu’s-fault” narrative where the sun don’t shine. Israel has been a genocidal white supremacist settler-colonialist state since the day it was created. But israelis doing these crimes don’t excuse Hamas’s attack.

                    Palestinians from Gaza had it better than what they have now, right? Even if you could just unthink Israel as a country, better solution could’ve been to fight for their rights before october '23. And it’s still the truth. Undoing the country that’s here for 50+ years is not on the table, but bullying it into respecting palestinians is. Once that fucking crusade ends.

                    No, Netanyahu isn’t the only one responsible for that, yet he’s the face of that offensive, and should be charged accordingly.

                    No. It thoroughly justifies Hamas’s attack. It would still be justified if Hamas carried out ten similar attacks. Israel is a white supremacist settler-colonialist state - the use of force against it is justified by default.

                    You’ve lost me there buddy. I can’t approve such attacks, even if they are said to be against an opressor. Nope. Hamas are bastards, end of the line.

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      I literally responded to that in the very next sentence. Until the IDF counts the people their own fire killed, and the ones who died in the crossfire, both of which exist in significant numbers, we have no evidence Hamas did anything close to mass murder. Also that 1139 is counting the 373 security force people, which are legitimate military targets.

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              11 months ago

              The crossfire, reckless (sometimes deliberate when they were taken hostage) IDF fire and Hamas war crimes. These three categories all contain significant numbers of people, so until we know who killed how many and where there are no grounds to claim Hamas committed mass murder.