100% a person. Someone would be shot alright, it won’t be me and that’ll be easier to deal with than the roaches. A phone call to the coroner and $5 worth of peroxide and bleach (along with maybe $10 of 5.56 or $5 of 9mm) is much easier than having to book a hotel that takes cats, move me and my cats, and pay a guy to poison my house, and trash or move all food outside the fridge (I assume, because poison), and the catbox, etc. And it’s not just the 1000, if there’s 1000 visible, there’s way more.
Eh idk, of course this is one of those “you’ll never know until you’re in the situation” things but idt I’d have that much trauma for protecting my life as need be especially in my own home. I mean, I’m frankly just as likely to have trauma from having my space invaded without my knowledge or consent as I am to have it from dealing with said situation tbh. He’s the one who decided to thrust this situation on both of us, I blame him.
Breaking into someone’s house and living there without their consent is aggressive. You’re only saying that because I’m a man clearly capable of defending myself, what if some guy was sleeping in your mom or daughter’s attic? Would it creep you out to know they have complete access to your family members while they are unconscious every night? You’d be fine with that, you’d say “well how do you know he wants to molest you in your sleep, maybe he just needs a place to stay?” And why does he have the right to take my house, the place I pay for where I’m supposed to be able to feel safe, and decide it is his now? What gives him the right, necessity? Why does it need to be my attic, aren’t there people like you who are comfortable with strangers that would kindly open their doors for him?
My attic is a dark, cramped space with no windows and a ton of insulation. What kind of attic do you have where someone living up there can see and hear everything that happens in the main living space?
Or rather, what have you done to think that someone with a complete dossier on you has resorted to occupying your attic in order to get the jump on you?
These days if you find someone living in your attic then it’s most likely a drifter looking for shelter. Better to find a man down on his luck than a large colony of pests.
About 3 rooms of genuinely usable space where someone could live if they wanted to safe for shitty insulation and dust everywhere.
Also yeah I agree on the drifter point. on my other list I brought it up on the reasons why I’d prefer a person. There’s a good chance they can be reasoned with.
Probably not, if they’re living in the attic they are still a threat, but likely not an economically sound threat. I probably have the advantage in that regard, they’d need like 7k in gear and some training to be better prepared. They’ll also never have access to the safe, nor the one on me, they’ll have to bring their own.
If they’re just in there hiding Richard Ramirez style, then it doesn’t matter who is better armed, it is time to roll them dice. Frankly it’s always a dice roll, I’ve seen a literal parishioner with a handgun take out a better armed dude with a 45yd (estimate) shot because the better armed mass shooter wasn’t as good of a shot and hadn’t learned his weapon properly (thankfully). What you carry matters less than getting shots on medically significant parts of your target quickly, you want to hit first and hit an area that is important, regardless of caliber, you could beat a guy with a .50cal with a .22lr, if he misses and you don’t. Of course, that said, you have a higher liklihood of one of those bullets hitting a medically significant target the bigger it is and the wound channels will be different, and depending on armor which the guy in the attic likely has none of you may need the small fast bois to punch through it, but I’d take my chances.
The real issue is he has the high ground and a choke point, so if he did bring a gun that’d present the most problems. Of course, he’s gotta come out sometime, and then it becomes my choke point. I suppose the real question becomes how did I discover he was there? Did I see him? Hear him banging around? Were the bangs as such that I’d go investigate myself or would I potentially involve law enforcement? All that makes a difference in the scenario. If I walk into my attic and theres just a guy up there who has the drop on me that is a kobayashi maru, but if I go up and he has a contact weapon like a bat or knife, I have the distance advantage. If I hear him up there and know it is a person somehow not just like a mouse, the cops are just getting called, I’ll outsource. If I hear him and think it may be a mouse and I go to investigate, we’re back to “does he have the drop on me or do I have the distance advantage.”
Still, in any case, the guy will be easier to deal with than the roaches. Less time, less money, and maybe he has a gun but maybe not and maybe it doesn’t matter if he does.
Is “if a fire breaks out in the toaster oven I’m currently cooking Buffalo Chicken flavored pizza rolls in, I will use my fire extinguisher to put out the flames” fantasies of firefighting? Don’t hate the planner for being able to theorize on hypothetical situations, hate the game.
Killing a person is not the same as putting out a fire. Since you don’t seem to comprehend that it shows even more evidence that you should not have access to a gun.
Right, which is why the tools used to defend yourself from people and the tools used to defend yourself from fire are different tools. Same concept though, “stop the danger before it kills me.” The fact that you can’t comprehend that makes you look silly, but imo you still deserve the right to defend yourself.
“If the fire breaks out in the toaster oven while I’m asleep, that is a kobayashi maru. If it breaks out while I’m awake however I’ll spray the fuck out of it and clean it up later, much cheaper than waiting for the fire dept to drench my house. The real issue is the fire has the initiative advantage as it starts before I can put it out, but I have smoke detectors so I’ll get to it pretty quick.”
“You want to spray at the base of the fire, as that is the most effective way to put it out. Aiming at the tip gives it time to spread and doesn’t effectively fight the fire.”
There, that better for you? Lmao you know your opinion is meaningless to me right? All you know is I’ve taken the training everyone says you should be forced to take before gun ownership, the fact that you don’t like what that training actually is in reality isn’t my problem. It teaches you the laws regarding use of force and how to use said force properly. You don’t actually know anything else about me, why would I hold any stock in the opinions of ideological internet strangers who just want to insult people they disagree with?
100% a person. Someone would be shot alright, it won’t be me and that’ll be easier to deal with than the roaches. A phone call to the coroner and $5 worth of peroxide and bleach (along with maybe $10 of 5.56 or $5 of 9mm) is much easier than having to book a hotel that takes cats, move me and my cats, and pay a guy to poison my house, and trash or move all food outside the fridge (I assume, because poison), and the catbox, etc. And it’s not just the 1000, if there’s 1000 visible, there’s way more.
Yes, because the trama of killing another human being is definitely fine and something you just get over with.
Also why are we assuming that the attic person is aggressive? Maybe they just need a place to stay.
Eh idk, of course this is one of those “you’ll never know until you’re in the situation” things but idt I’d have that much trauma for protecting my life as need be especially in my own home. I mean, I’m frankly just as likely to have trauma from having my space invaded without my knowledge or consent as I am to have it from dealing with said situation tbh. He’s the one who decided to thrust this situation on both of us, I blame him.
Breaking into someone’s house and living there without their consent is aggressive. You’re only saying that because I’m a man clearly capable of defending myself, what if some guy was sleeping in your mom or daughter’s attic? Would it creep you out to know they have complete access to your family members while they are unconscious every night? You’d be fine with that, you’d say “well how do you know he wants to molest you in your sleep, maybe he just needs a place to stay?” And why does he have the right to take my house, the place I pay for where I’m supposed to be able to feel safe, and decide it is his now? What gives him the right, necessity? Why does it need to be my attic, aren’t there people like you who are comfortable with strangers that would kindly open their doors for him?
My brother, forget about the potential trauma. You should seek help even without it.
I’m fine, don’t attempt to kill me and you’ll be fine too, problem solved.
If someone is living in your attic you don’t think they have already figured out what you are armed with and are more prepared than you?
I’d take the person over the roaches too, but a person living in your attic has a knowledge advantage AND knows where you keep your weapons.
My attic is a dark, cramped space with no windows and a ton of insulation. What kind of attic do you have where someone living up there can see and hear everything that happens in the main living space?
Or rather, what have you done to think that someone with a complete dossier on you has resorted to occupying your attic in order to get the jump on you?
These days if you find someone living in your attic then it’s most likely a drifter looking for shelter. Better to find a man down on his luck than a large colony of pests.
About 3 rooms of genuinely usable space where someone could live if they wanted to safe for shitty insulation and dust everywhere.
Also yeah I agree on the drifter point. on my other list I brought it up on the reasons why I’d prefer a person. There’s a good chance they can be reasoned with.
Probably not, if they’re living in the attic they are still a threat, but likely not an economically sound threat. I probably have the advantage in that regard, they’d need like 7k in gear and some training to be better prepared. They’ll also never have access to the safe, nor the one on me, they’ll have to bring their own.
If they’re just in there hiding Richard Ramirez style, then it doesn’t matter who is better armed, it is time to roll them dice. Frankly it’s always a dice roll, I’ve seen a literal parishioner with a handgun take out a better armed dude with a 45yd (estimate) shot because the better armed mass shooter wasn’t as good of a shot and hadn’t learned his weapon properly (thankfully). What you carry matters less than getting shots on medically significant parts of your target quickly, you want to hit first and hit an area that is important, regardless of caliber, you could beat a guy with a .50cal with a .22lr, if he misses and you don’t. Of course, that said, you have a higher liklihood of one of those bullets hitting a medically significant target the bigger it is and the wound channels will be different, and depending on armor which the guy in the attic likely has none of you may need the small fast bois to punch through it, but I’d take my chances.
The real issue is he has the high ground and a choke point, so if he did bring a gun that’d present the most problems. Of course, he’s gotta come out sometime, and then it becomes my choke point. I suppose the real question becomes how did I discover he was there? Did I see him? Hear him banging around? Were the bangs as such that I’d go investigate myself or would I potentially involve law enforcement? All that makes a difference in the scenario. If I walk into my attic and theres just a guy up there who has the drop on me that is a kobayashi maru, but if I go up and he has a contact weapon like a bat or knife, I have the distance advantage. If I hear him up there and know it is a person somehow not just like a mouse, the cops are just getting called, I’ll outsource. If I hear him and think it may be a mouse and I go to investigate, we’re back to “does he have the drop on me or do I have the distance advantage.”
Still, in any case, the guy will be easier to deal with than the roaches. Less time, less money, and maybe he has a gun but maybe not and maybe it doesn’t matter if he does.
Your weird fantasies of killing people makes me think you should probably not own a gun.
Is “if a fire breaks out in the toaster oven I’m currently cooking Buffalo Chicken flavored pizza rolls in, I will use my fire extinguisher to put out the flames” fantasies of firefighting? Don’t hate the planner for being able to theorize on hypothetical situations, hate the game.
Killing a person is not the same as putting out a fire. Since you don’t seem to comprehend that it shows even more evidence that you should not have access to a gun.
Right, which is why the tools used to defend yourself from people and the tools used to defend yourself from fire are different tools. Same concept though, “stop the danger before it kills me.” The fact that you can’t comprehend that makes you look silly, but imo you still deserve the right to defend yourself.
That’s not what you said though. You said a whole lot more than that.
“If the fire breaks out in the toaster oven while I’m asleep, that is a kobayashi maru. If it breaks out while I’m awake however I’ll spray the fuck out of it and clean it up later, much cheaper than waiting for the fire dept to drench my house. The real issue is the fire has the initiative advantage as it starts before I can put it out, but I have smoke detectors so I’ll get to it pretty quick.”
There lmao.
Still nowhere near comparable to the legit wet dream you typed out earlier
“You want to spray at the base of the fire, as that is the most effective way to put it out. Aiming at the tip gives it time to spread and doesn’t effectively fight the fire.”
There, that better for you? Lmao you know your opinion is meaningless to me right? All you know is I’ve taken the training everyone says you should be forced to take before gun ownership, the fact that you don’t like what that training actually is in reality isn’t my problem. It teaches you the laws regarding use of force and how to use said force properly. You don’t actually know anything else about me, why would I hold any stock in the opinions of ideological internet strangers who just want to insult people they disagree with?
You’d be the one shot. They’re armed and ready to attack. You’re naked walking through a hallway.
But we FOUND them in the attic, so we can’t be naked in a hallway. I’m certainly not going into my attic naked.
You and I have very different attics
Based and naked-in-the-attic-pilled
Says you.
So you wear your holster in the shower?
You don’t have a shower glock?