• Son_of_dad@lemmy.world
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    Utterly unapologetic to the point of blaming society for “failing her” instead of owning up to her shitty parenting

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      I mean, society did fail her but that doesn’t mean she shouldn’t take responsibility for what happened. She left her gun in her purse, unsecured, around a six year old with serious mental health issues. She is absolutely liable. That doesn’t mean that she is the only one to blame, tho

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        Society has failed most of us, we’re still responsible for our actions. She had an unsecured gun with no lockbox or trigger lock, this is on her.

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          Oh, I agree. She had a gun and thus a responsibility to keep it out of her kids hands. I read a bit more about it, and apparently she discharged the weapon a short while prior because she believed that her boyfriend was cheating on her. Yikes!

          Doesn’t change that we can’t recognize that this likely stems from many societal problems

          I think the world would be better, if we accept BOTH personal responsibility, and the responsibility that we have to others living in the society we all share. It probably won’t happen any time soon, but I can try to spread the idea

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            That kid didn’t have mental health problems. He was just imitating how he watched his hopelessly retarded, selfish, dysfunctional and immature parents act.

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              I would argue that one path to having mental illness is neglect. It could also be that he was exposed to drugs (or chemicals) in utero (which can also effect brain development).

              There’s a book I can recommend, but it’s a bit controversial.

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    As a non-US citizen I’d like to reiterate that you can get rid of this idiocy only by banning guns.

    Not interested in American opinion regrading this one, sorry, it’s a super simple fact with no discussion worth wasting time for us.

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      Statistically, most Americans agree with much stronger gun controls. Even a significant portion of the conservative block. It’s the few holding the rest of us ransom.

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      I, from the UK, once had a ‘conversation’ about gun control with an American on Reddit. What brought this about was the day before a 9 year old girl was killed by a stray bullet from a drive-by. One moment she was in her bedroom doing some homework, and the next she was dead.

      After a lot of back and forth with him getting more flummoxed and aggressive he then said something like “If she was outside playing like a normal kid then she wouldn’t have been killed.”
      Yep, he blamed her.

      That was the time I realised it was a waste of everything talking about it.

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        people who argue that their right to guns is more important than a persons right to life is inherently moronic, and shouldn’t be listened to.

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        One thing I’ve learned is that, if you write a comment with reasonable
        balance of views and still get attacks, the posters are people without proper trainings on critical debates.

        In case of the gun ban, it’s even worse because most people never lived in the rest of the world.

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        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate

        Are guns legal in: El Salvador, Venezuela, Eswatini, Jamaica, Honduras, Guatemala, Brazil, and Columbia?

        All of those nations have higher firearm death rates than the US.

        If guns are illegal in any of the nations with higher firearm death rates than the US, then can you acknowledge that banning guns is not the only issue? Maybe culture has something to do with it?

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          you just named countries well known for organized crime and corrupt government officials.

          I don’t think it is the same

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            then can you acknowledge that banning guns is not the only issue? Maybe culture has something to do with it?

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              Can you acknowledge that some issues require addressing multiple factors? Or can your brain not handle that level of complex thought?

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                I literally said “banning guns is not the only issue.

                Learn to read before you start insulting someone else’s intelligence.

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                  The “issue” is not banning guns.

                  The issue is people dying en masse repeatedly from guns.

                  Get that straight. Banning guns is a partial solution that helps to address the issue in literally every single western country.

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              the fuck are you trying to say here???

              Banning guns is the only issue. Full stop.

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          Did you not read the part where they said that dumb Americans can shut up and keep their idiocacy to themselves?

          Like honestly, this is the DUMBEST fucking argument I’ve ever heard.

          Multiple factors contribute to the both the rate and severity of violent crime, congratulations Einstein! Now answer me this, when multiple factors contribute to something happening, and you want to stop that something from happening, do you a) sit around and do nothing and say it’s impossible to address in any way shape or form cause the solution requires addressing multiple factors, or do you b) try and address all the factors contributing to it, starting with the easiest and most obvious ones?

          Like Jesus Christ, think with your fucking brain, not the lead dust poisoning it.

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              Say something that’s not a brain dead NRA argument if you want people to not insult your intelligence.

              Tell us again how when multiple factors contribute to a problem that means you can’t address any of them.

              That was your argument right?

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                Tell us again how when multiple factors contribute to a problem that means you can’t address any of them.

                That was your argument right?

                Where did I ever suggest that? You can quote me so there’s no ambiguity.

                Or just admit you’re making up bullshit that’s easier to argue against because you can’t address what I’m actually saying.

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                  Oh I’m sorry, your arguing that El Salvador and the US have comparable levels of law enforcement and border control?

                  Oh I’m so sorry I mistook your dumbass argument that has no merit for a different dumbass argument that has no merit.

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          Guns are legal in all those countries besides Venezuela. Cos guns are legal in most of the world. It’s just they are generally controlled. And Venezuela is on the verge on collapse anyway. I don’t think this is the slam dunk argument you think it is.

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            Guns are legal in all those countries besides Venezuela. Cos guns are legal in most of the world.

            Then why doesn’t most of the world have a firearm homicide rate comparable to that of the US?

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                  You’re not arguing in good faith here. I’ve answered you’re initial, idiotic, comment. I’ve answered your second, idiotic, comment that was highly selective in what it quoted of me as if it was trying to “gotcha” me. And now this horseshit? I’ve already alluded to how most of the rest of the world does it, I suggest you go read up on it rather than trying to push your agenda on me.

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          “That was the time I realised it was a waste of everything talking about it.”

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      Not interested in American opinion regrading this one

      Kind of shitty to assume that all Americans have the same opinion, no?

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        Experience has taught me that unfortunately, while you don’t all have the same opinion, most do reject the simple premise of the original comment, for various reasons, whether they’re “left” or right.

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          Just so you’ve had the experience of meeting one, I am an American who is for banning guns.

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        Well, there can of course be different opinions, but in reality every type of pro-gun argument is debunked (from my point of view) in r/gunsarecool. There’s a megathread or sidebar that counter-argues every single opinion with proper citation, and also counter-argues every single counter-counter-argument. And then every counter-counter-counter-counter argument is also debunked there.

        And to me thus the US pro-gun arguments look like just an exhibition of arguments I’ve seen and already countered better than I can.

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          That didn’t address what I said at all, so I’ll just repeat it:

          Kind of shitty to assume that all Americans have the same opinion, no?

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      I find it frustrating when people make a statement, and then say they aren’t interested in hearing a specific group’s opinion. It’s rude af.

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      b b but my sport makes me feel good!

      and mountain climbing will only injure me

      i want an exciting sport that will hurt others

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      Americans are so backwards when it comes to valuing human life. There’s no point in engaging them on anything at all, so it’s best to block/ban people like Chitak the thundertard.

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      Or the mother could.have practiced proper gun safety.

      The kid could have done this woth a knife that was left in her purse

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          You think she couldn’t have stabbed her teacher ?

          Stabbings happen every day in the United states. They are one of the easiest weapons to get a hold of.

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            Have you even read the story? No, given the same circumstances I don’t believe a six year old with a knife would have been able to stab his teacher through her hand and into her chest. If you honestly believe otherwise I can only conclude you have no idea:

            a) what a gun is. b) what a knife is. c) what a six year old is.

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              Considering I own multiple guns and multiple knifes I can tell you that a knife can easily go through a hand and into a chest and a six year old would be more than powerful enough to do so.

              Perhaps you only have experience woth butter knifes and steak knives. But I have seen a high quality cooking knives take off fingers like it was a butter knife going through warm butter.

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                So it’s six year olds you’re not familiar with. Right you are chief, you keep on believing. Makes you wonder why militaries go to all the expense of having guns when knives are exactly the same don’t it.

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                  I may not be as familiar as you are it seems. However I have multiple young children in my family amd some friends have children ranging from a few months old to teenagers. I certainly know how strong a five year old can be.

                  You should know that knives and bayonets have been used effectively in militaries the world over for over a century

                  But you know that and just do t want to admit it.

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    I live in Czechia, where getting a gun license is not easy. It’s a 3 step test - theory (for all gun license groups you are permitted one mistake in a 40 question test), gun manipulation (where you show the commission that you know how to handle a gun, with dummy ammo), and gun practice (where you show you know how to shoot and hit the target).

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    Okay, parent should be held responsible… but how will making parent absent from kids life improve kid’s behavior? Punish them some other way. Community service, money, whatever.

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      I would think a parent this irresponsible would do more damage to the kid being around than not being around. The fact that she showed no remorse for what she did doesn’t bode well for how she’d raise the kid.

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      It’s probably already too late for this kid.

      He’s probably going to fall in with gangbangers and focus on taking things instead of earning them.