• proletariatnerd@iusearchlinux.fyi
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    The US is rife with issues, but the hardships experienced by the average western citizen doesn’t even compare to the suffering that you would find in, say, Pol Pot’s Cambodia

    I have some fellas from Detroit that would disagree.

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      My dude you need to stop right now before you end up saying that genocide isn’t that bad. Because that’s what Pol Pot did.

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          Killing millions and being dysfunctional are in a different realm of terrible. I’m sorry, but how did you come to the conclusion that they are even comparable?

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            hm i wonder if theres any capitalist countries with a history of committing genocide…

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                yea i know. genocide is never a good thing. no matter who does it. whats ur point?

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                  I’m not sure about your specific views, but my point is that the genocides carried out by the USSR and by China and by other ‘Communist’ states are bad, and that they don’t become any less bad as a consequence of Capitalism also having carried out genocides.

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              I’m all ears. Please give me a list so I can expand my understanding.

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                oh dear here we go. off the top of my head, there is of course, canada, usa (native americans), israel (palestinians), nazi germany (jewish people, PoC, queer people, communists, and a whole bunch of others)(it mightve called itself socialist but was still very much capitalist), china (uyghur people) (also might call itself communist but they literally have billionaires and a fucking stock market, cmon)

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                  I view nazi germany and china quite a bit different from real capitalist societies. Simply having a stock market doesn’t mean the markets are free to function as they please.

                  I also tend to disagree with canada and usa being genocidial at this point in time. For sure they did horrific things, but comparing usa to nazi germany or current day china is delusional, as the US country’s government is not actively killing a part of their own population.

                  What rubs me the wrong way in these conversations is mentioning capitalism as a system that commits the genocide. Both germany and china are/were state driven, and as such the markets didn’t really have anything to do with the actions. Instead the genocide is driven by the government that is/was authoritarian, and as such the markets aren’t driving the killing.

                  The one country I agree with being a free market and genocidial is Israel.

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                    Simply having a stock market doesn’t mean the markets are free to function as they please.

                    are u saying that government intervention in the “free market” = communism?

                    as a reminder, communism is a stateless, classless, and moneyless society.

                    also, state intervention in the market does not make a country no longer capitalist, they all have that.

                    but comparing usa to nazi germany or current day china is delusional

                    i was just giving u a list of genocidal capitalist countries, i wasnt comparing them with each other.

                    many countries are built on genocide thanks to colonialism. canada is one of them, and it has not changed its course

                  • HornyOnMain🏳️‍⚧️@lemmy.ml
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                    I also tend to disagree with canada and usa being genocidial at this point in time.

                    mfw liberals are doing literal genocide denial of one of the worst atrocities in human history. Americans still do reenactments and put up monuments of the men responsible for the genocide, they have an entire day dedicated to celebrating the man who’s come to symbolise it.