In Italy I was a member of UAAR (The Union of Rationalist Atheists and Agnostics) and we supported the legal costs of people battling against crucifixes in the workplace, compulsory prayers and even acoustic pollution caused by the church bells.
This was in the late '90s to early '00s.
I really, really wish religious people would finally switch to clocks and phone notifications for their niche events like everyone else. Many people also have an odd romantic notion of this noise pollution. Sort of like the idiots who think loud motorbikes or sports cars make them look cool.
I guess it’s cus everyone has a different standard of what pollution is for them. For me, the sound of windchimes calm me, I find industrial air vents relaxing, and church bells oddly peaceful, but can’t stand someone even driving near me, dogs barking, babies crying, or fluorecent lights flickering. But you know, people need to drive, dogs and babies need to talk, and the world goes on.
I think it has more value than lets say cars and trucks, loud parties and fireworks.
Church, and mosque, not as religious symbols but as a community centers reminds lonely isolated people that they can go now and they will find people there to chat a little bit with.
Phones for older generation doesn’t work and annoying as well.
Even if they aren’t, there is very little gossip that gets as vicious as church gossip behind other community member’s back. Always “fun” to watch when visiting my grandparents in their small rural town.
Depends on church, I recently visited the babtism of a Lesbian couples’ child featuring readings by a trans lay-minister. This was CoE, rather than any ‘rainbow church’.
It’s true that almost every mainline Church denies the right of gays and poly’s to marry as they would wish. Beyond that single sacrement however there’s no need for exclusion. Many congregations are still full of assholes, absolutely, but you’d be surprised how often the views of the Church body diverge from talking heads like Calvin Robinson.
Trans-rights are an odd-space. There isn’t actually anything in the bible explicitly denying trans ontology (at least for binary trans people), so again it’s a matter of specific bigotry rather than institutional bigotry.
I know this is kinda off base, but the Temple of Satan has churches, and they’re absolutely pro gay and pro trans. They’re the anti mainstream religion, basically.
In Italy I was a member of UAAR (The Union of Rationalist Atheists and Agnostics) and we supported the legal costs of people battling against crucifixes in the workplace, compulsory prayers and even acoustic pollution caused by the church bells. This was in the late '90s to early '00s.
I really, really wish religious people would finally switch to clocks and phone notifications for their niche events like everyone else. Many people also have an odd romantic notion of this noise pollution. Sort of like the idiots who think loud motorbikes or sports cars make them look cool.
I guess it’s cus everyone has a different standard of what pollution is for them. For me, the sound of windchimes calm me, I find industrial air vents relaxing, and church bells oddly peaceful, but can’t stand someone even driving near me, dogs barking, babies crying, or fluorecent lights flickering. But you know, people need to drive, dogs and babies need to talk, and the world goes on.
I think it has more value than lets say cars and trucks, loud parties and fireworks.
Church, and mosque, not as religious symbols but as a community centers reminds lonely isolated people that they can go now and they will find people there to chat a little bit with.
Phones for older generation doesn’t work and annoying as well.
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Even if they aren’t, there is very little gossip that gets as vicious as church gossip behind other community member’s back. Always “fun” to watch when visiting my grandparents in their small rural town.
Depends on church, I recently visited the babtism of a Lesbian couples’ child featuring readings by a trans lay-minister. This was CoE, rather than any ‘rainbow church’.
It’s true that almost every mainline Church denies the right of gays and poly’s to marry as they would wish. Beyond that single sacrement however there’s no need for exclusion. Many congregations are still full of assholes, absolutely, but you’d be surprised how often the views of the Church body diverge from talking heads like Calvin Robinson.
Trans-rights are an odd-space. There isn’t actually anything in the bible explicitly denying trans ontology (at least for binary trans people), so again it’s a matter of specific bigotry rather than institutional bigotry.
I know this is kinda off base, but the Temple of Satan has churches, and they’re absolutely pro gay and pro trans. They’re the anti mainstream religion, basically.
Yea ST is awesome but they aren’t the kind of place that has church bells. You might hear some death metal, though.