2 Watch out for those dogs, those people who do evil, those mutilators who say you must be circumcised to be saved.
Because not everyone knows this stuff: this is text from one of the Epistles (Latin for “letters”) which are attributed to Paul of Tarsus also known as Saint Paul the Apostle. Apostle means one of the chief disciples of Jesus Christ. The Epistles provide instruction to early Christians on how to organize their churches.
@Archpawn@lemmy.world posts another relevant passage.
The bible says a lot of things that Christian churches do not teach. Quoting anything in the old testament you might as well just say that Christianity teaches that you shouldn’t have long hair or ear piercings, which is clearly not true. That verse also does not say what you think it does. It says that you should watch out for people who say you “must” be circumcised to be saved. I’ve never heard anyone say that anywhere. That doesn’t mean it’s not encouraged in the church. That doesn’t mean it’s not taught. That doesn’t mean it’s not done as part of baptism (as it has been at literally every christian church I’ve seen). But yeah, of course no one is going around saying you won’t be saved unless you do so. That doesn’t make it “NOT a Christian thing”.
A major point of the quote I provided is that Christians are not bound by such strictures on dress, diet, mold remediation, etc., set forth in Leviticus, Deuteronomy, or elsewhere in Hebrew Scripture (which the early Christian church adapted with some changes to be the Old Testament).
I myself have been to a lot of baptisms, and there’s never been a circumcision involved. It’s not on me to prove a negative though…where’s your evidence?
You’re ignoring what I’m saying. I never said that Christians were bound by anything. In fact I explicitly said otherwise.
The circumcision is never at the church, it’s always after at a hospital if the person is not already circumcised. If you never knew that I’m sorry but it’s what happens. And I’m not really going to bother with providing you evidence. You’re clearly not going to believe whatever I post as you clearly don’t read what I write anyway. You can just go look up rates of circumcision in America. Have a nice day.
The fact that many men, religious and otherwise, happen to be circumcised in a country where many Christians live does not make it part of the religion.
Why would I believe your unsupported claims that are contrary to lots of evidence, my studies, and my own lived experience?
I hope you learn one day that making generalizations about groups of people based on your own vague notions is neither good nor kind.
I hope you learn one day that making generalizations about groups of people based on your own vague notions is neither good nor kind.
that’s literally what you’re doing. Your evidence is a quote from the bible that is both the opposite of what it says in multiple other locations in the bible, but also the opposite of actual teachings in actual churches. You’re making generalizations about the group based on just a few short sentences rather than looking at the entire religion as a whole.
“Where I heard that” is from the Christian Bible.
Consider Philippians, Chapter 3, Verse 2.
Philippians 3:2 in Other Translations
Because not everyone knows this stuff: this is text from one of the Epistles (Latin for “letters”) which are attributed to Paul of Tarsus also known as Saint Paul the Apostle. Apostle means one of the chief disciples of Jesus Christ. The Epistles provide instruction to early Christians on how to organize their churches.
@Archpawn@lemmy.world posts another relevant passage.
What made you disagree?
The bible says a lot of things that Christian churches do not teach. Quoting anything in the old testament you might as well just say that Christianity teaches that you shouldn’t have long hair or ear piercings, which is clearly not true. That verse also does not say what you think it does. It says that you should watch out for people who say you “must” be circumcised to be saved. I’ve never heard anyone say that anywhere. That doesn’t mean it’s not encouraged in the church. That doesn’t mean it’s not taught. That doesn’t mean it’s not done as part of baptism (as it has been at literally every christian church I’ve seen). But yeah, of course no one is going around saying you won’t be saved unless you do so. That doesn’t make it “NOT a Christian thing”.
Provide some evidence for your claim, then.
A major point of the quote I provided is that Christians are not bound by such strictures on dress, diet, mold remediation, etc., set forth in Leviticus, Deuteronomy, or elsewhere in Hebrew Scripture (which the early Christian church adapted with some changes to be the Old Testament).
I myself have been to a lot of baptisms, and there’s never been a circumcision involved. It’s not on me to prove a negative though…where’s your evidence?
You’re ignoring what I’m saying. I never said that Christians were bound by anything. In fact I explicitly said otherwise.
The circumcision is never at the church, it’s always after at a hospital if the person is not already circumcised. If you never knew that I’m sorry but it’s what happens. And I’m not really going to bother with providing you evidence. You’re clearly not going to believe whatever I post as you clearly don’t read what I write anyway. You can just go look up rates of circumcision in America. Have a nice day.
The fact that many men, religious and otherwise, happen to be circumcised in a country where many Christians live does not make it part of the religion.
Why would I believe your unsupported claims that are contrary to lots of evidence, my studies, and my own lived experience?
I hope you learn one day that making generalizations about groups of people based on your own vague notions is neither good nor kind.
that’s literally what you’re doing. Your evidence is a quote from the bible that is both the opposite of what it says in multiple other locations in the bible, but also the opposite of actual teachings in actual churches. You’re making generalizations about the group based on just a few short sentences rather than looking at the entire religion as a whole.