Someone post this on hexbear and send me a screenshot.
I’d do it myself but I value my sanity
I would, but I got banned for daring to disagree with their narratives. Apparently brigading other instances and users is fine, but you have the audacity to go there and debate their lunacy, and it’s ban time.
I had to block their Instance. I am very sympathetic and generally agreeable to many communist ideals but their brigading and style of that community is annoying.
They deny wholehearted they don’t brigade they’ll call you a liar and say that’s never happened
Lemmy is a pretty bad pace to be then, same thing happens here
You could also just post on !memes@lemmy.ml, hexbear likes to hang out on there.
Lemmy.ml has its own tankie groups, btw. Hexbear is just one of a few focal points.
To each their own. However, it’s convenient to know when you are getting close to some type of military demarcation line. (Stray bullets can still fly across demilitarized zones, or, you start to see pro-communist graffiti a little more often, is what I am saying.)
Still, there is no harm in tossing some meme-loaded USB drives over the border to see what happens.
I now have the urge to send copious amounts of Joker memes to the North Korean side
Congratulations, the .ml admins deleted it. Did they ban you too?
Not so rare lemmy.ml L
I’ll have to wait and see, I haven’t got a message quite yet, but I entertain myself with an appeal.
Add Tibet, Xianchang, Manchuria, as separate countries and switch Inner Mongolia to being part of Mongolia and now we’re getting somewhere.
Taiwan didn’t even recognize Mongolia’s independence until 2002. Good luck getting the KMT to accept Tibet’s or Uyghurstan’s independence.
Next thing you know, Western Taiwan decides it’s time to make North Korea their brand new province, because “historic grounds” or something
My personal bet is they’ll go for Outer Manchuria. They still see the treaty of Aigun as an unequal treaty and as things stand the international community wouldn’t even bother writing a strongly worded letter if they decided to rectify it.
i mean considering taiwan’s position surely they’d be more than happy to get the mainland in return for letting some remote areas be independent?
IDK about Xinjiang but China’s current state of water security basically means no government of China will accept Tibetan independence without basically getting puppet state control over them.
Why Manchuria?
White bread of Chinese balkanization right here
The meat and potatoes of Chinese imperialism.
I really hope China doesn’t legitimately try to take Taiwan someday. Would be a terrible day for Earth.
Very likely within the next few years unfortunately
I doubt it, there’s not much for them to gain from it but a lot to lose
Taiwan currently produces some of the worlds besteht chips via tsmc and holds a very powerfull geological Position in the "south china’’ sea
Even if they managed to recover all chip factories after a full scale invasion (which the Taiwanese could easily sabotage), the production is based on a lot of western technology, which they couldn’t replicate for decades. So the factories would be of little use.
Chinas economy is also very reliant on exports to western countries (US, Japan, Europe), if they invaded Taiwan that would plunge the world economy into the worst crisis ever seen that would hit China especially hard. They’re already struggling with serious demographic and other economic issues that will put them into a difficult spot in the next decades. Invading Taiwan would be very, very terrible for basically everyone, and suicide for the CCP.
I agree with you, but I also thought that about Ukraine, so who knows
I think your consideration isn’t bad and many, including myself, believe China won’t attack…unless there’s a weak US President/leadership. Consider that Crimea was invaded under Obama but Ukraine was outside the west’s protection; same can currently be said of Taiwan but Taiwan is less about what is has to offer to the west (beyond a western friendship) and more about containing China deep into their waters. Ukraine had a lot of political tensions in the early 2010s and I think Obama was stuck in a nuanced position that ultimately boiled down to: how committed and effective will Ukraine be against Russia (corruption was a huge consideration around 2014). But Obama should have done more (including the EU) sooner. This allowed Trump to play both sides: publicly lick Putin’s boots while allowing military assistance to Ukraine - pleasing the military complex at the very least, regardless of who won. But even as Trump’s administration was wrapping up their mess, you could tell some in the GOP were setting a stage for pulling back military assistance; still are trying. Biden made sure assistance was unwavering and wants to degrade Russia in the eyes of the world while the west’s military complex shovels in taxpayer money. Taiwan, under Democrat leadership, is an easy choice: they’re not corrupt even with their wing of China friendly politicians, they’re trained and continue to be armed to the teeth with only one purpose: hold until the west comes to their defense (including S Korea and Japan). I honestly believe Hong Kong was too hard to defend from China but perhaps it might have played out differently under a Democrat POTUS. Lastly, Taiwan doesn’t have to “win” so much as make sure China doesn’t win; I think the US would be fine with another North South Korea tension if it keep China in their waters and off of Taiwan and their waters; most notably off of their eastern waters/shores.
It wouldn’t be suicide unless they are stupid or incompetent, as most of the world won’t respond with violence. Trump probably wouldn’t respond militarily, but Biden plans on it. The dumbest thing China could do is attack the US first, or too directly, as most of the world won’t offer military support otherwise. Pacific Asian countries won’t proactively get involved, but will aid the US to protect against China. If China only shoots Americans that directly attack them, they’ll be able to paint the US as the aggressor who’s meddling in an internal conflict. If they attack military bases or ships enforcing a blockade too directly, the US will be galvanized, and if they attack first to cripple the US’s ability to blockade fuel imports, the world will be galvanized and WWIII becomes likely.
China’s best strategy against Biden’s America is to totally forgo maintaining any chip technology whatsoever, taking Taiwan as quickly as possible with no regard for collateral damage. If they don’t succeed within a month, the mainland will suffer dearly, and if they piss off the American public too much, they’ll face constant hostility from the largest military on earth.
Biden will be motivated to maintain pressure, while Trump won’t want to waste American resources unless China attacks unprovoked for some dumb reason. Trump will do stupid shit like trying to invade Mexico and putting tariffs on all imports, but he’s less likely to fight China if they don’t provoke him. However, Trump is still risky, as if he gets personally upset at China, he’ll escalate dangerously just to show strength. China will be motivated to limit collateral damage and take Taiwan more slowly, so Trump doesn’t get as mad about the economic hit from invading. Ironically, China now wants Trump in office and Biden out, while it was almost the reverse in 2020.
I’d be surprised if any country responded militarily. It’s not in the interest of anyone to risk WW3 over Taiwan, and China knows this. In contrast to Russia, they are probably competent enough to take Taiwan in a day or two before anyone can send significant aid.
There would be massive economic implications though. The most effective deterrence that western countries have are sanctions, and they can’t let China invade without consequences to keep the deterrence effective (also for other countries), so they’d have to be used. Investment in China would probably be banned for decades to reduce reliance.
If hundreds of millions of Chinese fall back into poverty due to the invasion, that would be a serious threat for political stability in China.
That’s why Biden would respond with force. He needs to make good on the deterrence, but will avoid escalating too far.
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It’d be a tremendously stupid thing to do. Unfortunately for everyone, Xi Jinping might just be that stupid.
According to Wendover (neat youtube channel), the “deadline” of that event is likely 2027. Whether it will happen or not is a whole different story
I thought the same, but theres been a lot of exposed strife in xi’s perfect little world and he is quickly losing all the blood in his warboner. If anything is gonna happen, im guessing it’ll happen within a year or two. Any longer and xi wont have enough economy or technology to sustain even a remotely scary military.
This is excluding nukes.
100% CCP will try soon.
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How to piss off the PRC with one pic.
Did you mean PRWT?
I think it’s just RoC by then
I mean, doesnt that kinda play into the PRC’s narrative that Taiwan and China are the same country?
The PRC and RoC share a lot of the same territorial disputes because they both view themselves as the one rightful Chinese government; they largely agree which land is “part of China”. It’s taking Taiwan’s side because it’s saying they should administer all of it.
Doesn’t Taiwan largely still do this in the modern day because revoking those claims would be equivalent to declaring its formal independence as a separate country, which is something China has threatened would be met with invasion?
I feel like “say this or I punch your teeth in” kind of takes some of the legitimacy out of the statement, don’t you?
It’s the truth, though. The whole “One China” policy is the only reason the PRC and the USA have any sort of diplomacy at all.
It gains some bite when most of the teachers either explicitly cheer on the bully or cough and look the other way.
both view themselves as the one rightful Chinese government
This is a bit of an outdated view in my opinion. If you’re a KMT voter (ie. 60+), then sure, this is a common view. Younger generations (DPP voters) however don’t really view themselves as Chinese. I think this view will die out eventually.
Of course, for the most part, this is all off the official record because of the implications. Chinese nationalists will argue that this is wrong because it’s still written in the Taiwanese constitution or whatever, but the truth is that regular people in Taiwan couldn’t give less of a shit about China. De facto, most Taiwanese consider themselves their own country with no legitimate claims to China.
Nah, Taiwan only avoids forsaking these claims because doing so would be interpreted as a formal declaration of independence, prompting an invasion.
Why are you including Tibet in that?
Why people in the west care about this territorial conflict.
It is clearly a strategic conflict for USA and allies to keep China at distance and reduce their ability to move further.
But for people to keep talking about it like it is a ( good vs evil ) feels like propganda by USA military or something.
If we imagine a world where china without Nuclear weapons, so Nato can stop them anytime, I dont think the USA media will care about them.
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China are kinda dicks.
Now that’s an understatement
Because a global power engaging in aggressive colonialism is bad - even when it’s not the US doing it.
56 China’s
You think the USSR, DPRK, and so on are any different? What definition of communism are you using, my dude?
I’d we’d like to talk about genocides in countries that don’t say they’re communist? There’s the Holocaust, ^Armenia, ^^Rwanda, ^^^Bangladesh, ^^^^Romania, ^^^^^Greece, ^^^^^^Assyria, ^^^^^^^Serbia/Croatia, ^^^^^^^^Chechnya
oh so you think im a tankie huh? i meant 56 DEMOCRATIC China’s (not including Tibet, east Turkestan, inner Mongolia, and a Manchu state)
That’s not a term I’m familiar with.
two defenitions from the urban dictionary
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A form of government where the leader is chosen by popularity rather than ability to run a country. “I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again; democracy simply doesn’t work.” -Kent Brockman by IKEM (?) on urban dictionary
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Taken from the Greek ‘demos’ and ‘kratos’ (‘people’ and ‘power’ respectively), it refers to the system of government in which the entire population effectively rules through a concentrated body which relies on the population’s opinion as a source for its policies. The French Revolution was sparked by ideals of liberty and democracy for all. by ryanM on urban dictionary
that’s what democracy is
I’m aware of the definition of democracy. I wasn’t aware of the meaning of 56 Chinas - we know fascist types love numerically coded language - 14 words, 18/50, 88, 18, and so on.
Looking at the meaning, 56 Chinas sounds concerningly close to ethno-state advocacy, but I figure that’s not the intent.
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Why shouldn’t we care about the land and people they said they’d take by force if need be? Really?
It’s pretty clear that having a strategic partner in that part of the world is a net positive for western counties. Also Taiwan supplies a huge fraction of our computer chips.
That they managed to utterly dominate the chipmaking market and use that as a leverage to make allies was a real master move. The pandemic and the whole supply chain troubles giving a wake up call that “all eggs in one basket” is bad sure got them worried, tho.
Because Taiwan makes most of the computer chips we use, and the US definitely has a vested interest in China not obtaining that knowledge.
Shouldn’t the one at the top be East Ukraine on the same basis?
Taiwan (or The Republic of China) is a special case in that it doesn’t want independence from the PRC*, but rather they claim that all of China is part of the ROC and is illegally occupied by the PRC. The PRC, likewise, views Taiwan as a rebellious little part of their own country.
*I learned just now that there’s a political movement that eschews this view and instead just wants sovereignty for the land currently owned by Taiwan.
Anyway, as far as I know, Ukraine doesn’t make any similar claims to Russia (except for certain contested areas).
As a pro-Ukranian Russian: fuck you. If Ukraine will try to conquer a single square inch of Russian land I’ll volunteer to be in factory making tanks, despite being a trans girl
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Do you think Crimea is Russian land?
Now do West Palestine
I pay 1 upvote if someone made that image a reality
Ok but this is literally true, broth the PRC and the ROC claim to be the real china
“real china”
but also remove all the borders
lmao
Couldn’t help but notice Honk Kong (UK) sticking out like a sore thumb. Anyways f*** imperialism/colonialism!
I’m so sick of this"West Taiwan" crap. It plays into the PRC narrative that China and Taiwan are inseparable. Most Taiwanese just want to live their lives without needing to worry about China invading. The official ROC territorial claims remain in part due to the 2005 Anti-Secession law of the PRC. The law provides a legal mandate to invade if Taiwan were to declare formal independence. In general the only people in Taiwan who want to govern China are older nationalists.
