Donald Trump, the frontrunner for the Republican presidential nomination, said on Saturday that he would kill off a Pacific trade pact being advanced by U.S. President Joe Biden if he were to win the 2024 election and return to the White House.
I’ve explained the solution to the problem, I’ve explained why holding your vote hostage doesn’t work the way you think it does, and I’ve explained how you’re being duped into supporting the end result you claim not to want above all else.
I don’t see any point in continuing this. You didn’t seem to read or acknowledge what I wrote, and just went and repeated the same thing all over again. It’s like you’ve put yourself up on a pedestal of moralizing ignorance and just plug your ears to everything that threatens to knock you off. I can’t force you to understand something if you don’t want to understand it, and I don’t feel like repeating myself over and over again when it won’t be acknowledged or read.
You’ll probably reply with some more insults and straw man arguments like you’ve been doing, but some other user whose mind isn’t closed with arrogance and whose thinking is not blinded by their own privilege might see then and realize just how blind, foolish, and self-defeating this purity position is.
March, sign petitions, be an activist. Write emails to Biden. Write to your senators and House representatives. Be active in politicians beyond pressing a button once every four years. That’s how you make a differenc
I do not see any explanation for why Biden should give a shit about blue-no-matter-who voters who march or protest or write petitions or send letters or emails or call or anything. I don’t get it. Why should their campaign care what a whiney blue-no-matter-who voters says? They’re guaranteed to vote for Biden, there’s no reason to bother listening to them at all! What leverage do they have?
What is the mechanism of action that makes marching or petititons or emails work when your vote is already locked in?
You have not explained this, so stop insulting me and stop talking down to me and stop telling me I’m a dupe and blind and foolish and self-defeating and simply explain why he should give a shit about you.
Me? I’ll march and sign petitions and be an activist and write emails and letters saying I won’t vote without a ceasefire. That actually puts pressure on the campaign, it shows them that they need to listen to me because if they don’t then they are going to lose.
You? You’ll march and sign petitions and be an activist and write emails and letters saying “pwetty pwetty pwees stawp the genowcide uwu” and they could laugh in your face because you’ll still vote for them no matter what they do to you. You. Are. Irrelevant. You have no leverage, you can’t hold his feet to the fire, you can’t apply pressure, you are nothing. You might as well be a dog that can vote.
You insulted me first, so yeah, I’m going to hit back. Go ahead, read up the comment chain. You attacked me, you got nasty with me, and then I responded in kind. I’m not going to just let you punch down on me and take it. Go ahead, be smug that you provoked me.
You’re dodging because you don’t have an answer. Maybe you didn’t read it the first time! I’ll post it again for you:
What is the mechanism of action that makes marching or petititons or emails work when your vote is already locked in?
Pointing out that your position is terrible is not an insult to you. Just another one of your dishonest arguments, like how you misrepresent every thing that is said to you instead of engaging with people honestly.
At this point, I can’t see you as anything other a troll. Talking to you is like talking to a religious fundamentalist. You have no respect for the other party you’re speaking to and only speak down from a position of moralistic arrogance.
And if you’re not a troll, then jesus… be better than this.
Man it’s unfortunate that you privileged moralizing purists are not as reasonable as Biden.
Here you are, erasing my transness and insulting me by calling me a privileged moralizing purist, as if I don’t already compromise so much by voting Democrat. As if I hadn’t already compromised all sense of purity when I voted for this fucker the first time. As if I haven’t spent so much fucking time agonizing over my politics to come to my conclusions, as if I’m just a “fundamentalist”
If you sit on your ass and every for years you make a protest vote in support of the greater evil, you are the exemplification of the “idiot swing voter” who is so dumb they vote against their own interest.
Here you are, accusing me of sitting around doing nothing and being a dumb idiot.
You’ll probably reply with some more insults and straw man arguments like you’ve been doing, but some other user whose mind isn’t closed with arrogance and whose thinking is not blinded by their own privilege might see then and realize just how blind, foolish, and self-defeating this purity position is.
And here you are, calling me closeminded and arrogant. Blinded by my own “privilege” - again erasing my trans body and life.
Pointing out that your position is terrible is not an insult to you. Just another one of your dishonest arguments, like how you misrepresent every thing that is said to you instead of engaging with people honestly.
At this point, I can’t see you as anything other a troll. Talking to you is like talking to a religious fundamentalist. You have no respect for the other party you’re speaking to and only speak down from a position of moralistic arrogance.
And then you cap it off by just degrading me as dishonest, as a troll, as a disrespectful moralist.
You’ve insulted me over and over, read up the comment chain. I think you’re confusing me for someone else. All I did is point out that you are nothing to Biden. Your voice is irrelevant, because of your own positions, that’s not me insulting you! Again, like a dog that can vote - and no, that’s not me calling you a dog, that’s me saying you have as much impact on Biden’s positions as one.
And yeah, maybe saying you’re like a dog was too far, but that was after you’d already insulted me over and over. Come on.
Log off. You’ve worked yourself up too much to have a reasonable conversation.
Contrary to what you think, I’m not trying to provoke you. Yet you’ve been getting highly provoked anyway. My “shitting all over” your comment was actually me explaining to you how your stance does the exact opposite of what you think it does. I took the time to explain it in detail, and you didn’t acknowledge any of it. You just dug in deeper and took it personally almost to the point of having a meltdown.
I don’t know what else to tell you. I’ve been trying to have a discussion here, and it feels like you’re trying to have an argument. I haven’t seen any effort on your part to discuss genuinely, just fighting and moralizing. Any challenge to your position is taken as a personal insult, to which you then respond with hostility and dishonesty. That’s why I think you’re a troll.
It sounds like we both agree this was a waste of time, so let’s just let it end here. Next time we can both try to do better.
I’ve explained the solution to the problem, I’ve explained why holding your vote hostage doesn’t work the way you think it does, and I’ve explained how you’re being duped into supporting the end result you claim not to want above all else.
I don’t see any point in continuing this. You didn’t seem to read or acknowledge what I wrote, and just went and repeated the same thing all over again. It’s like you’ve put yourself up on a pedestal of moralizing ignorance and just plug your ears to everything that threatens to knock you off. I can’t force you to understand something if you don’t want to understand it, and I don’t feel like repeating myself over and over again when it won’t be acknowledged or read.
You’ll probably reply with some more insults and straw man arguments like you’ve been doing, but some other user whose mind isn’t closed with arrogance and whose thinking is not blinded by their own privilege might see then and realize just how blind, foolish, and self-defeating this purity position is.
Okay, maybe I’m fucking stupid. I must be!
Your solution is:
I do not see any explanation for why Biden should give a shit about blue-no-matter-who voters who march or protest or write petitions or send letters or emails or call or anything. I don’t get it. Why should their campaign care what a whiney blue-no-matter-who voters says? They’re guaranteed to vote for Biden, there’s no reason to bother listening to them at all! What leverage do they have?
What is the mechanism of action that makes marching or petititons or emails work when your vote is already locked in?
You have not explained this, so stop insulting me and stop talking down to me and stop telling me I’m a dupe and blind and foolish and self-defeating and simply explain why he should give a shit about you.
Me? I’ll march and sign petitions and be an activist and write emails and letters saying I won’t vote without a ceasefire. That actually puts pressure on the campaign, it shows them that they need to listen to me because if they don’t then they are going to lose.
You? You’ll march and sign petitions and be an activist and write emails and letters saying “pwetty pwetty pwees stawp the genowcide uwu” and they could laugh in your face because you’ll still vote for them no matter what they do to you. You. Are. Irrelevant. You have no leverage, you can’t hold his feet to the fire, you can’t apply pressure, you are nothing. You might as well be a dog that can vote.
And there it is, just as predicted.
You insulted me first, so yeah, I’m going to hit back. Go ahead, read up the comment chain. You attacked me, you got nasty with me, and then I responded in kind. I’m not going to just let you punch down on me and take it. Go ahead, be smug that you provoked me.
You’re dodging because you don’t have an answer. Maybe you didn’t read it the first time! I’ll post it again for you:
What is the mechanism of action that makes marching or petititons or emails work when your vote is already locked in?
Pointing out that your position is terrible is not an insult to you. Just another one of your dishonest arguments, like how you misrepresent every thing that is said to you instead of engaging with people honestly.
At this point, I can’t see you as anything other a troll. Talking to you is like talking to a religious fundamentalist. You have no respect for the other party you’re speaking to and only speak down from a position of moralistic arrogance.
And if you’re not a troll, then jesus… be better than this.
Here you are, erasing my transness and insulting me by calling me a privileged moralizing purist, as if I don’t already compromise so much by voting Democrat. As if I hadn’t already compromised all sense of purity when I voted for this fucker the first time. As if I haven’t spent so much fucking time agonizing over my politics to come to my conclusions, as if I’m just a “fundamentalist”
Here you are, accusing me of sitting around doing nothing and being a dumb idiot.
And here you are, calling me closeminded and arrogant. Blinded by my own “privilege” - again erasing my trans body and life.
And then you cap it off by just degrading me as dishonest, as a troll, as a disrespectful moralist.
You’ve insulted me over and over, read up the comment chain. I think you’re confusing me for someone else. All I did is point out that you are nothing to Biden. Your voice is irrelevant, because of your own positions, that’s not me insulting you! Again, like a dog that can vote - and no, that’s not me calling you a dog, that’s me saying you have as much impact on Biden’s positions as one.
And yeah, maybe saying you’re like a dog was too far, but that was after you’d already insulted me over and over. Come on.
Log off. You’ve worked yourself up too much to have a reasonable conversation.
There it is again.
Look dude, if the shoe fits, wear it.
If you don’t want people to think you’re a troll, then do better than this.
You’re clearly a troll, beating down on people until they react the way you want and then mocking them for it.
Contrary to what you think, I’m not trying to provoke you. Yet you’ve been getting highly provoked anyway. My “shitting all over” your comment was actually me explaining to you how your stance does the exact opposite of what you think it does. I took the time to explain it in detail, and you didn’t acknowledge any of it. You just dug in deeper and took it personally almost to the point of having a meltdown.
I don’t know what else to tell you. I’ve been trying to have a discussion here, and it feels like you’re trying to have an argument. I haven’t seen any effort on your part to discuss genuinely, just fighting and moralizing. Any challenge to your position is taken as a personal insult, to which you then respond with hostility and dishonesty. That’s why I think you’re a troll.
It sounds like we both agree this was a waste of time, so let’s just let it end here. Next time we can both try to do better.