Another fun fact: this is not just a gaming fact, it can be applied anywhere piss babies have to learn from women.
Can confirm: I had a programming management position in the early 2000s, and once had a dev screaming at me with his nose less than two inches from my own after I called him out for egregious project delays (I was a programmer, too). I asked him if he’d like to take it outside, but he declined. Exactly the same energy I’ve had from others as a girl gamer.
I’ve never seen that behaviour towards men in a professional setting, but some of these immature boys seem to think it’s okay to act that way towards women.
And that’s why I gave up on multiplayer games years ago. I play to have fun, not to be the dartboard for these children’s unresolved mommy issues when I’m not even getting paid for it.
e: hey downvoters, how about you reply with why you took issue with my comment. I’m honestly curious about what I said that you didn’t like. Was it that you’re manchildren who can only challenge people you perceive as lesser than yourselves, and that’s only women and children, or was it that I called you out in the first place? Please, let me know where on this porcelain doll I hurt you.
The absolute least you can do is to tell me how my words injure you so. Downvoting with no comment is a bitch move.
But that shit just sucks. Women shouldn’t have to bar themselves from multiplayer because dudes are insecure. We need some real mental healthcare and some real culture adjustment.
I didn’t understand programming at all when I was in school. I actually needed tutoring because I was doing so bad. I didn’t get to pick my tutor, but the person who revealed how it all works to me and enabled me to do what I do, was a woman.
Women shouldn’t have to bar themselves from multiplayer because dudes are insecure.
You’re totally right, but that’s like saying ‘I shouldn’t have to stop swimming in the lake because that company has released all their sewage into it.’
Yeah, it’s horrible and I could swim there with both middle fingers up the whole time, but this is my leisure time and I’m just tired of trying to make a stand everywhere. There’s a hot tub in my room.
I should rephrase that. I feel that is all too common. Because every single woman has a story about this, while maybe 1/20 people have swam in sewage infested lakes unvoluntarily.
Its just kind of tiring, I face absolute toxic masculinity at work everyday and I know my daughters are gonna have to deal with it when they get older.
I face absolute toxic masculinity at work everyday and I know my daughters are gonna have to deal with it when they get older.
I’m sorry, none of us should have to deal with this in 2023. I truly hope your daughters won’t have to for long.
I like that Nintendo basically didn’t implement voice and chat in the games of theirs I’ve seen so far. Seems to nip this dumbass issue in the bud.
Yeah people talk shit about Nintendo being behind in this regard but I’m totally ok with not getting insulted by a dude passing me in Mario kart with proximity voip
I downvoted and You asked for the why and here it is: I’m also programmer and I have experienced aggressive behavior both, from women to men and the other way around but only between those that were close to each other (friends). I have never experienced the same behavior between colleagues that were not familiar to each other and also not from supervisors to lower grades.
I know that my experiences are just mine and others may have made others so the downvote is because You’re assuming there’s a structual problem where there is just your own personal experience. To round it up, I have not much respect for ppl who direct themselves to the victim role.
Hey thanks for responding!
In my case, it wasn’t an assumption of a structural problem, and I’d counter you may be assuming it was. *
This was like a year into my position and that asshole was a contractor who had no issues with male supervisors, but had documented issues with women. Part of the reason I was put in charge of the project was because the previous (also female) PM had quit after several incidents that had her crying in the toilet after meetings with that guy, and I was considered strong enough to handle him.
I know what he was doing and why. That was the worst – and arguably the most unfair – situation of my professional career, but there were others milder but no less unfair.
I appreciate your response, but honestly it feels like you’re assuming more than me here.
e: * sentence structure
Props to you both for airing out in an adult manner.
I would add to that, if you think of politics as a game, you’ll have the same results.
Idk about it being the “game” that matters at all. They’d likely view the concept of a female doctor with similar contempt.
If anything it’s that these dudes view the game as more than just a game - they consider it their safe space that’s being violated.
they consider it their safe space that’s being violated.
Which is ironic because they’re often the same toxic people who ruin multiplayer games for non-toxic people.
My former friend exactly. Played games as an escape and to “relax” yet was always yelling at the screen or other people in game. Also told me he didn’t waste his time with single player games
Which is unfortunate for them because female doctors tend to be superior
Skill issue? Okay- it’s a well-landed burn.
But more on the button, it’s an insecurity issue. You can be low-skilled (maybe a beginner?) and not try to bully women when you’re getting beat or in your feels about it. It’s always the insecure men that do this.
Insecurity is the skill issue of self-confidence.
The irony of course being that by doing this they lower their status anyway. People respect you more when you respect others
Some folks just cannot control bad mood and act before they think.
Or they don’t care anyway.
Seems legit
I’m sure racism is similar.
It absolutely is. It’s a pretty well established observation for example that the great ancient structures built by white people never have alien conspiracy theories associated with them unlike those in the rest of the world. For a more modern example, a huge part of the “those damn Chinese/Indians/Mexicans/etc are stealing our jobs” rethoric comes from hatred of the fact that people in those places are getting better at and even surpassing the West in skilled labour when in the minds of racists they’re supposed to be backwards and primitive compared to white people. People of color and Indigenous peoples in high paying positions (who are already severely underrepresented in those positions) are also much more likely to receive hate compared to white people of the same rank and pay, where racists literally say things like “they don’t deserve to be there” or “they probably faked their qualifications” when there is no evidence of that. They were also banned from attending universities for the longest time specifically to keep them uneducated and reinforce the notion that white people have superior intellect.
they probably faked their qualifications
Obama’s “fake” birth certificate 😮💨
What’s nuts is that he would still be a US citizen if he was born in Kenya so their argument was insanely moronic even if they were right.
Actually, this is a case of the US constitution being moronic. Because it forbids anyone not born on US soil from becoming president. For context, most countries only require you to be a citizen for a minimum amount of time before you can be head of state. Boris Johnson was born in the US and was still UK prime minister for example.
It’s really ironic the settlers care so much about only people being naturally born in a particular place getting to rule that place.
No, it’s not. The provision was written into the US Constitution for reasons that made perfect sense at the time of its drafting. The framers were worried about the possibility of people who had been born elsewhere in the British Empire being subject to pressures on their extended families. The idea specifically revolved around the concept that only colonists could become president, again because they were worried about family entanglements with the rest of the British Empire.
It doesn’t make a lot of sense in a modern context, but in order to accommodate the slave states, the US system was deliberately designed to be almost impossible to change and/or update, so we live with it even today.
Living? In this economy?
Doesn’t Stonehenge have some conspiracy theories around it?
What qualifies as a “great ancient structure built by white people”?
Obviously your definition varies but I personally count things like the Roman coliseum, Greek Pantheon, Notre Dame and many other cathedrals, not to mention the many castles across Europe.
Ok, and we have pretty much unbroken historical records about the construction of those. That doesn’t really leave much room for people to invent theories about aliens doing it. Notice that there also aren’t a lot of theories about how great structures in China were built, as we have well preserved history for those, too. On the other hand, we do have people theorizing that Stonehedge was built by aliens, despite being an “ancient structure built by white people”. We don’t have any historical records for that structure.
That all said, I’m not really buying that theories about aliens building things are racist. It seems to have much more to do with which structures we still have the history for and which ones we do not.
It mostly stems from racist or colonial sentiments. It’s a little bit dishonest to insinuate that really it’s unbroken historical records that assuage ancient alien theory and not the racist notion that “savage races couldn’t have possibly built this”.
European Cathedrals (like the dome of cologne or the Hagia Sophia in istanbul), the Roman limes (great wall structures, plural), Roman aqueducts and the Colloseum, some later pyramides were designed by hellenistic architects (successors of Alexander the Great and his fellowers), further in the past come Stonehenge and other megalite structures, and many more - sadly lost - antique wonders of the world.
(The cologne cathedral was mostly build in th 19th century)
It was finished in 1880 but construction startet on the 15th of August in 1248.
G*mers 🤮
Anyhoo, hope to see y’all at Jim’s Bible study this Sunday!
Yours truly,
Edel Berman
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Thank you Edel. I hope you had a great day at the fair and looking forward to meeting you on Christmas. Grampa died last night. LOL
Oh dear, Margaret, I’m sorry to hear about Grampa. Send lots of LOL to your kids for me!
Hoping to taste more of your world-famous pecan pie soon,
Edel
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That’s impressive. You don’t trust gamers, but you have enough technical skills to send a text from a dishwasher.
Honestly, I’m just glad to see hardware supporting open platforms like lemmy.
Misogyny is a skill issue -> sounds about right. Insecure loser suckass snowflake pissbabies get angry at others easily and blame them for their inadequacy.
You see this stuff in primates too. Though I wish I could remember which monkey. Either way, when a male loses its status in the hierarchy, they take out their frustration on another member that is less able to defend themselves. Which is usually females and juvinile males.
Non-human primates, but yes. Also, it’s not restricted to male non-human primates and is also seen in females, especially in your various macaque and baboon species wherein female status is largely inherited from one’s mother and sisters.
Fair enough. It’s just another thing we share!
I just learned I might be misogynistic. :(
Well you’ve taken the first step to correct it :)
“they’ll lose status.” Sheesh! I’ve heard it all now. I don’t doubt this is exactly how some male gamers behave. What a world.
Looks at KDR, hmm I guess I hate women now.
I want to know why they were using Halo 3 as a benchmark in 2015. Reach, 4, and MCC were out by then with 5 coming soon. Not disputing the legitimacy of Halo 3, 2nd best Halo imo after 2, but add odd choice.
They started testing before the study came out. I don’t know video game history, but publishing takes a while
I wonder which causes the other. Openness towards feedback from any source makes you better at things generally and tuning out good advice from a source you don’t like hinders progress
So follow up: what do we do about it? I’ve traded some stories with ladies in my life, and I’ve never quite understood how some guys are ok with themselves when they pull these kinds of things.
I’m not a saint, and emotions can get messy. It was tough having an ex who was financially and academically more successful than I. I dealt with it, just knowing she was doing her thing, and I was still more mechanically skilled than her. I dunno what one would do if their partner is better at literally everything than you.
If it should ever happen though, yelling at and degrading them seems like a waste of energy, and of a nice relationship. The whole thing is wild, frankly.
It’s capitalism, where we’re forced to compete instead of cooperate.
Its a video game…
