“An autopsy was performed on November 6th and the Ventura County Medical Examiner’s Office determined the cause of death to be blunt force head injury and the manner of death homicide.”

  • jet@hackertalks.com
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    60
    arrow-down
    3
    ·
    edit-2
    1 year ago

    Tragic.

    La daily news article

    Rabbi Michael Barclay of Temple Ner Simcha in Westlake Village, near Thousand Oaks, urged people to avoid jumping to conclusions about what happened.

    He said police are being cautious before making accusations. “We need to do the same; and not let this become a spark that starts an inferno,” he wrote.

    Before people use this incident to instigate hate, I will point out even in the thumbnail photo, people are assisting the man from both protest groups.

    • Flying Squid@lemmy.worldM
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      19
      arrow-down
      4
      ·
      1 year ago

      Before people use this incident to instigate hate, I will point out even in the thumbnail photo, people are assisting the man from both protest groups.

      Because most people from both groups just want peace. They just don’t agree on the definition of peace. But both of them want the war to stop. If only they were in agreement on the details, they would get along.

      So I would say that they were, in general, good people. And that’s why they helped him.

      • Linkerbaan@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        3
        arrow-down
        5
        ·
        1 year ago

        israel is actively advocating for and committing genocide to expand their lebensraum. Even in the west bank where the is no Hamas.

        You cannot in good conscience say anyone supporting israel wants peace. That’s like saying people waving a Russian flag only want peace in Ukraine, but even worse since Russia only wants to annex Ukraine instead of replace it’s population with their own israeli Ubermensch.

    • VentraSqwal@links.dartboard.social
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      15
      arrow-down
      48
      ·
      1 year ago

      If it was by a megaphone, that implies it was by a organizer which doesn’t look good. It’s already hard enough to not look anti-semitic while supporting Palestine without these events happening all around the world. (Plus synagogues getting threatened and so forth.)

        • TooSoon@lemmy.ca
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          27
          arrow-down
          8
          ·
          1 year ago

          Of course the 19 day old account is jumping to conclusions. That’s what it was created for in the first place.

          • VentraSqwal@links.dartboard.social
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            3
            arrow-down
            5
            ·
            edit-2
            1 year ago

            This account is lot older than 19 days. I had to recreate it when my instance exploded recently =( Anyway, just musing. Hopefully the story is a lot different.

        • avater@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          15
          arrow-down
          12
          ·
          edit-2
          1 year ago

          because your defintion of the word is wrong. Here is the worldwide accepted definition of it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitism

          Antisemitism (also spelled anti-semitism or anti-Semitism)[a] is hostility to, prejudice towards, or discrimination against Jews.[2][3][4] This sentiment is a form of racism,[5][6] and a person who harbours it is called an antisemite.

          and especially regarding your statement:

          Though ‘antisemitism’ could be construed as prejudice against people who speak other Semitic languages, this is not how the term is commonly used.

            • gmtom@lemmy.world
              link
              fedilink
              English
              arrow-up
              2
              arrow-down
              1
              ·
              1 year ago

              Yes but when a dictionary does its job and is trustworthy then that is practically the same thing. And in this case it is very much right. Ask anyone what antisemitism means and they will mention Jewish people not people who speak semitic languages.

          • Linkerbaan@lemmy.world
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            2
            arrow-down
            5
            ·
            1 year ago

            The word is completely wrong, not his definition. Not all semites are Jews. The semites are a race of people that originate from the region of Palestine including Arabs. Arab is a Semitic language.

            If anything the Palestinians look a lot more like Semites than the Zionists from Europe.

            https://www.dictionary.com/browse/semite

            It’s like saying being anti-black would mean you hate Christians because some black people in Africa used to be Christian.

          • kevinBLT@lemmy.world
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            9
            arrow-down
            17
            ·
            1 year ago

            Then they should use a different word, and stop hiding behind it to escape legitimate criticism.

  • Jake Farm
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    26
    arrow-down
    8
    ·
    1 year ago

    “Succumbs to wounds” do you mean was murdered? Cause that is what that is.

    • stella@lemm.ee
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      1
      arrow-down
      1
      ·
      1 year ago

      I feel like a bug is going around where everyone feels the need to rewrite headlines over the slightest thing.

      Is it just an easy way to get upvotes?

      • Jake Farm
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        4
        ·
        1 year ago

        Im calling out the euphemisation of the headline to make the murder sound less horrible.

    • assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      6
      arrow-down
      3
      ·
      1 year ago

      It’s kind of gross to respond to the murder of a Jewish man with “yeah but what about Israel’s genocide”.

      You do know that we can condemn violence against Jewish people in our own country AND condemn Israel’s genocide, right?

    • Tedesche@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      6
      arrow-down
      5
      ·
      1 year ago

      That’s the best response to tragic events like this: compare suffering! /s

      • stella@lemm.ee
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        4
        arrow-down
        5
        ·
        edit-2
        1 year ago

        Magnitude and optics matter. This guy gets his own articles along with the german girl while the children being bombed in Gaza are just statistics.

        Essentially, imagine if what happened to this guy was happening to dozens of children daily. Because it is.

        • assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          5
          arrow-down
          3
          ·
          1 year ago

          This is a completely different situation though and different issue – it’s a Jewish man being murdered in the US at a pro Palestine rally. Where, it should be noted, everyone rushed to help him, including those rallying. That’s why he gets his own article.

          We don’t need to play oppression Olympics. Most people are capable of being simultaneously horrified at what’s likely antisemitism and also Israel bombing a pediatric hospital.

          It’s actually really important that we keep these things separate. A Jewish person dying is not the time to mention Israel’s genocide, because it can be seen as connecting the two together to minimize the murder. Antisemites would love to link the two together and pretend it creates a justification. Let’s not do their work for them.