• Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world
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    You know that bombing schools and hospitals is STILL a heinous war crime even IF (gigantic if) it’s true that Hamas is hiding under every single one of them like you genocide apologists keep claiming, right?

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      Both sides here 100% want to genocide the other. They will both continue to try to do so, they’re leadership has said exactly that. Is it just to blame Israel just for winning?

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        Massacring civilians to accomplish nothing except temporarily sating blood lust isn’t winning. Not when Hamas does it and not when Israeli forces do it.

        Besides, it’s not like Hamas has anything near a thousandth of the military power that Israel does. As the stronger of the parties and the ones who make all the rules, they bear the majority of the responsibility and thus the majority of the blame.

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          They are taking that responsibility, and using it to ensure a permanent end to the conflict. It’s the same thing Palestine would do if they could.

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            They are taking that responsibility, and using it to ensure a permanent end to the conflict.

            If you truly believe that, I have oceanfront property in Lichtenstein to sell you 🙄

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                  Most things get worse before they get better. Once Palestine is gone, there won’t be a conflict anymore. At least not an Israel / Palestine conflict.

                  And yes, this is horrible. Palestine wants the same for Israel. It’s all horrible. There can’t be peace there, it’s impossible. There can only be a winner.

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      The war crime is hiding there in the first place.

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        No. Even IF that’s true (again, enormous if), the war crime is definitely the bombing of civilians, not hiding from people who want to kill you. I’m not saying that the Hamas aren’t heinous terrorists, but that doesn’t excuse the wholesale slaughter of innocents.

        Especially since it only INCREASES hostilities, leading to more civilian deaths on both sides of the border.

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          Um, you’re wrong, it’s known as Perfidy and is a violation of Protocol 1 Article 37 of the Geneva Convention

          1. It is prohibited to kill, injure or capture an adversary by resort to perfidy. Acts inviting the confidence of an adversary to lead him to believe that he is entitled to, or is obliged to accord, protection under the rules of international law applicable in armed conflict, with intent to betray that confidence, shall constitute perfidy. The following acts are examples of perfidy:

          (a) The feigning of an intent to negotiate under a flag of truce or of a surrender;

          (b) The feigning of an incapacitation by wounds or sickness;

          © The feigning of civilian, non-combatant status; and

          (d) The feigning of protected status by the use of signs, emblems or uniforms of the United Nations or of neutral or other States not Parties to the conflict.

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            That’s not what they’re doing, though. And even if they were, that would still NOT excuse the war crimes of the IDF.

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              This response is the equivalent of a child saying nuh uh and walking off. Also, no one said that it did excuse the war crimes committed by the IDF. The problem I have is that you’re clearly misrepresenting Hamas as innocent.

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                This response is the equivalent of a child saying nuh uh and walking off.

                You want me to elaborate about how false what you’re saying is? Walking off rather than continuing to waste my time and effort on the likes of you sounds tempting, though.

                Also, no one said that it did excuse the war crimes committed by the IDF

                That’s not true. You heavily implied as much and the other apartheid defender flat out said so.

                The problem I have is that you’re clearly misrepresenting Hamas as innocent.

                I’m doing no such thing. I’m always clear about the fact that Hamas are heinous terrorists guilty of atrocities.

                That doesn’t justify any of IDF’s atrocities like you’re pretending that you’re not implying, though.

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          Hiding isn’t a war crime. Trying to blend in with a civilian population while you’re an active combatant, however, is. Precisely because it makes strikes with mass civilian casualties a military necessity.