The White House faces growing pressure from Capitol Hill as lawmakers, even some of President Biden's allies, call for stronger action on the Gaza humanitarian crisis.
That facist Netanyahu wants Biden out and Trump in. In addition to evidence suggesting possible covert aid given by Israel to the Trump campaign in 2016, Trump even officially endorsed Netanyahu’s own presidential run helping to secure his victory over the Israeli left. In addition to moving the US embassy to Jerusalem to the delight of Netanyahu and over the objections of Palestinians, he recognized Israeli settlements as legal, reversing decades of US policy that these settlements were illegal under international law.
I’m not saying don’t push Biden and democrats to be better on Israeli policy and do what they can to rein Isreal in, which is a difficult dance to do considering how fervently pro Israel most Americans are, but don’t forget how much lower US policy can sink.
Wow what an excellent point you bring up. Hadn’t considered this perspective at all, really. Considering your obvious awareness, I’m curious what you would hope the American government does regarding Israel. What do you think makes the most sense? Specifically politically if that’s a different answer?
What Trump did or Biden is doing, what Trump recognizes or Biden doesn’t is all irrelevant, nothing has changed in regards to Israel and what they are doing. Biden proudly proclaimed himself to be a Zionist, so he proudly proclaims support for the treatment of Palestinians and their genocide. The WH saying there is no red line for Israel makes Biden complicit in everything Netanyahu is doing.
I would argue that Trump’s four years of increasingly lenient policies on Israel emboldened them to continue and intensify their policies. Maybe without Trump’s interference in the Israeli election, the Israeli left in alliance with Arab Israeli citizens would have returned to power and be able to restart a peace process. No pressure at all from America is certainly a worse situation than not enough pressure, democrats will be much easier to push into opposing Israel, and there’s many pro Palestinian and anti Israeli apartheid state democrats already.
Please find me the statement where Biden proclaims his support for Palestinian genocide, that is quite the logical leap. I see a lot on American frustration that Israel is not allowing aid through, not allowing time for hostage rescue, and America pushing back on the Israeli plans to immediately rush in to the Gaza strip with a full invasion and no end in sight.
You can say things like, “Biden should be doing even more to rein in Israel” without saying things that are untrue like Biden supports the genocide of all Palestinians. I certainly want the Biden administration to be doing even more. If you use too much hyperbole though, you may inadvertently help empower the people who do actually want genocide and make no qualms about it. With the Israeli far right facist government doing everything they can to undermine Democrats like Biden, while constantly pushing for Republicans to return to power, that should tell you that Biden does not fully support what Israel is doing from the Israeli government view. And don’t forget to keep watching who the Israeli government does want in power, Republicans, who today are introducing bills to expel all Palestinians from the United States and other racist facist nonsense.
A Zionist in my heart The Zionist goal has always been to eradicate Palestinians, and now Armenians. Zionists support apartheid and oppression. Biden is a Zionist at heart, therefore supports the treatment of Palestinians. And he’s conflating antizionism protests with antisemitism.
This is where you have to be careful with how people view the words they’re using versus how you or others might view them. I don’t think Biden would say that describing himself as “a zionist” means he’s in favor of a Palestinian genocide. But there are people who use that word that way, especially Israeli far right extremists, so it’s a word I think he really should have stayed away from using. Another example that might help you see what I mean is looking at Rashida Tlaib (pro-palestinian democrat) who is catching flack for her “from the river to the sea” comment. Now she prefers a one state solution with equal rights for all (Biden and mainline democratic position is a two state solution, which I personally think is more feasible as well since both Palestinians and Israelis seemed determined to have theocratic aspects to their government which could never really be compatible). I don’t believe for a second that she thinks that comment means she supports the killing or removal of all Jewish people in Israel, but there are people like Hamas who absolutely use the phrase that way, so it probably wasn’t the wisest way to describe her position. Biden not known for careful word choice unfortunately, which is really needed in a situation like this.
If Biden and democrats were some genocidal maniacs on par with Netanhayu, why does the Israeli far right and Netanhayu constantly work to undermine Biden and democrats and support republicans and Trump? I’m not saying Biden is at the exact place policy wise you or I would probably prefer, but conflating very different positions isn’t helpful and might undermine your goals.
The self proclaimed Zionist Biden wont do shit about it. That $11m a day keeps flowing.
That facist Netanyahu wants Biden out and Trump in. In addition to evidence suggesting possible covert aid given by Israel to the Trump campaign in 2016, Trump even officially endorsed Netanyahu’s own presidential run helping to secure his victory over the Israeli left. In addition to moving the US embassy to Jerusalem to the delight of Netanyahu and over the objections of Palestinians, he recognized Israeli settlements as legal, reversing decades of US policy that these settlements were illegal under international law.
I’m not saying don’t push Biden and democrats to be better on Israeli policy and do what they can to rein Isreal in, which is a difficult dance to do considering how fervently pro Israel most Americans are, but don’t forget how much lower US policy can sink.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/donald-trump-endorses-netanyahu-for-pm/
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/jul/27/netanyahu-and-trump-two-desperate-men-exploiting-power-to-save-themselves
https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-administration-to-say-israeli-settlements-arent-illegal-11574104691
Wow what an excellent point you bring up. Hadn’t considered this perspective at all, really. Considering your obvious awareness, I’m curious what you would hope the American government does regarding Israel. What do you think makes the most sense? Specifically politically if that’s a different answer?
What Trump did or Biden is doing, what Trump recognizes or Biden doesn’t is all irrelevant, nothing has changed in regards to Israel and what they are doing. Biden proudly proclaimed himself to be a Zionist, so he proudly proclaims support for the treatment of Palestinians and their genocide. The WH saying there is no red line for Israel makes Biden complicit in everything Netanyahu is doing.
I would argue that Trump’s four years of increasingly lenient policies on Israel emboldened them to continue and intensify their policies. Maybe without Trump’s interference in the Israeli election, the Israeli left in alliance with Arab Israeli citizens would have returned to power and be able to restart a peace process. No pressure at all from America is certainly a worse situation than not enough pressure, democrats will be much easier to push into opposing Israel, and there’s many pro Palestinian and anti Israeli apartheid state democrats already.
Please find me the statement where Biden proclaims his support for Palestinian genocide, that is quite the logical leap. I see a lot on American frustration that Israel is not allowing aid through, not allowing time for hostage rescue, and America pushing back on the Israeli plans to immediately rush in to the Gaza strip with a full invasion and no end in sight.
You can say things like, “Biden should be doing even more to rein in Israel” without saying things that are untrue like Biden supports the genocide of all Palestinians. I certainly want the Biden administration to be doing even more. If you use too much hyperbole though, you may inadvertently help empower the people who do actually want genocide and make no qualms about it. With the Israeli far right facist government doing everything they can to undermine Democrats like Biden, while constantly pushing for Republicans to return to power, that should tell you that Biden does not fully support what Israel is doing from the Israeli government view. And don’t forget to keep watching who the Israeli government does want in power, Republicans, who today are introducing bills to expel all Palestinians from the United States and other racist facist nonsense.
A Zionist in my heart The Zionist goal has always been to eradicate Palestinians, and now Armenians. Zionists support apartheid and oppression. Biden is a Zionist at heart, therefore supports the treatment of Palestinians. And he’s conflating antizionism protests with antisemitism.
This is where you have to be careful with how people view the words they’re using versus how you or others might view them. I don’t think Biden would say that describing himself as “a zionist” means he’s in favor of a Palestinian genocide. But there are people who use that word that way, especially Israeli far right extremists, so it’s a word I think he really should have stayed away from using. Another example that might help you see what I mean is looking at Rashida Tlaib (pro-palestinian democrat) who is catching flack for her “from the river to the sea” comment. Now she prefers a one state solution with equal rights for all (Biden and mainline democratic position is a two state solution, which I personally think is more feasible as well since both Palestinians and Israelis seemed determined to have theocratic aspects to their government which could never really be compatible). I don’t believe for a second that she thinks that comment means she supports the killing or removal of all Jewish people in Israel, but there are people like Hamas who absolutely use the phrase that way, so it probably wasn’t the wisest way to describe her position. Biden not known for careful word choice unfortunately, which is really needed in a situation like this.
If Biden and democrats were some genocidal maniacs on par with Netanhayu, why does the Israeli far right and Netanhayu constantly work to undermine Biden and democrats and support republicans and Trump? I’m not saying Biden is at the exact place policy wise you or I would probably prefer, but conflating very different positions isn’t helpful and might undermine your goals.