Image transcript:

The “what if you wanted to go to heaven, but god said ____” meme template, but here it says, “What if you wanted to walk to get groceries, but city planners said DRIVE”. The last panel is an image of a massive freeway full of cars.

  • thantik@lemmy.worldEnglish
    429·
    11 months ago

    The first high-speed rail system began operations in Japan in 1964, and is known as the Shinkansen The busiest high-speed rail service in the world, carrying more than 420,000 passengers on a typical weekday

    – but your chart shows 90,000 per hour.

    I’m gonna call bullshit. Biased source is still biased.

    • Fried_out_Kombi@lemmy.worldOPMEnglish
      211·
      11 months ago

      The chart isn’t about high-speed rail. High-speed lines often actually have lower capacity than lower-speed rail. For one, many suburban trains are bilevel, which can almost double the capacity per train, whereas high-speed lines often aren’t bilevel. Further, the higher speed doesn’t actually mean you can move more passengers per direction per hour; you’re still limited by how frequently you can run trains, as you need safe stopping distance between each train. Thus, high-speed rail can run faster, but it also needs much more space between trains. Typically the highest frequency train/metro routes can run trains every minute or two. A 2000-person capacity train every 2 minutes is equivalent to 60k passengers per direction per hour.

      • thantik@lemmy.worldEnglish
        222·
        11 months ago

        Last I checked, a day isn’t 5 hours long…

        Let’s give you a shot here and say they only operate 12 hours out of the day, that means the busiest train in the WORLD only does 35,000 an hour. But the graph is claiming 60-90k per hour.

        If I can point out that very OBVIOUS bias/flaw in the chart, what is the reason I should take it seriously at all?

        • Fried_out_Kombi@lemmy.worldOPMEnglish
          17·
          11 months ago

          the busiest train in the WORLD

          That’s not the busiest train in the world, though. That’s the busiest HIGH-SPEED RAIL in the world. You’re ignoring all the metro systems and suburban rail lines in the world that serve the massive daily commute market.

          Regardless, even the 35k per hour of that rail line is still an order of magnitude higher than cars on roads. Cars, no matter how you slice it, are wildly space-inefficient.

        • chameleon@kbin.social
          11·
          11 months ago

          You’re comparing maximum capacity to actual usage… weekday peak hours are like 80% of weekly passengers on most functional rail systems. Very common for the rest of the hours to run half schedules or smaller carriages because it’s simply not necessary, but the network can handle it if required.