How often do you carry large bulky items that you specifically need an SUV for? Because I’m pretty certain the justification you use happens maybe 4 times a year.
Constantly, kids, all the shit that comes along with them, groceries, home improvement store runs. Are you in the US? I don’t think you grasp what (today) Small SUV/CUVs are. Theres also no need for “justification”. They get better MPG and put out less on the emissions side than the normal cars did before them, there’s no rational argument against them. Just people that like to cry.
You can fit a dog, 1 child, 1 toddler, a stroller and 3-4 bags of groceries and have space over for other “kid shit” in a VW Passat which is the US equivalent of a mid-size vehicle. The idea that you NEED an SUV for kids, kid shit and groceries is just false. And it’s not like you’re doing home improvement store runs while all the before-mentioned people/things in the car which means those can also just as easily fit those as well.
As for “they get better MPG” feel free to show me the SUV that has this exceptional mileage that has similar spec sedans beaten.
LOL, do you think we don’t have VW Passats in the US? And again with justification. Her SUV gets great MPG, even for a “car” and gives us room do actually do things comfortably, not shit smashed against the windows. You Eurpoeans just clearly like to be cramped everywhere you go, your apartments, your cars, your alley ways that you call streets, your little dorm fridges that are supposed to hold enough food for a family somehow. No thanks. I don’t have to “justify” anything, nor do we need to buy clown cars to make cry babies happy. If SUVs of today got 10mpg like the originals, there could be an argument, that’s long gone.
Also, 3-4 bags of groceries? You must use that NEED with your eating as well, just enough to not die huh?
You know, we wouldn’t be having this discussion if you had owned your ignorance and arrogance. The only reason we’re having this conversation is because of your need to justify your wife’s shitty SUV. I simply called you out because I know it’s BS. Had you said “I’m a stupid fucker and I love SUV-s” there would’ve been nothing for me to say because it’s the only justification for owning an SUV. All you had to do was own the truth, but you wanted to give some “real” justifications with hopes of someone validating your (or your wife’s) shitty decision. That way you wouldn’t have to accept the real reason for owning an SUV.
If you want to continue raging go ahead, I couldn’t care less. Just own up the real reason you (or your wife) owns an SUV.
No, the ignorant one would be you thinking that I, my wife or anybody else needs to “justify” what they buy to anybody.
My (actual truck) is much larger than her CUV, go loose some sleep over that. I assure you that when I had a yard of topsoil in its bed last week to do my fall landscaping, that your car, an SUV or any training truck couldn’t have physically done it, because they can’t. They also couldn’t pull my camper, probably not even my boat.
Get this through your thick European skull, were not Europe, we don’t want to be Europe, we don’t need to justify or make excuses for what we want, or what we buy. That’s a thing only you people do so that you can virtue signal others into excepting you. That’s called living in a free country. I know that’s overload for your underpowered brain, but that’s how it is, and that’s how it’s always going to be. Feel free to never come here, we don’t want you.
No, the ignorant one would be you thinking that I, my wife or anybody else needs to “justify” what they buy to anybody.
The whole point of my previous comment was that you don’t need to justify your SUV (or your truck) and you should just own your decision and let the rest of us think of you as an asshole. I’m going to be nice and assume you just wanted to repeat my own point back to me, you know to show that you do in fact have reading comprehension.
But it seems you missed something the first time so I’m going to rephrase the following using more plain words - the reason this thread exists in the first place is because you wanted to justify your SUV. For some reason you didn’t take your own advice (about not needing to justify some things) because we wouldn’t be here if you did. But here’s to hoping that next time you take your own advice before you let your fragile ego write the comment.
and you should just own your decision and let the rest of us think of you as an asshole.
The only people that would think somebody is an asshole for choosing a vehicle they personally didn’t want would be judgemental assholes themselves that try to shame people they disagree with and try to use social pressure to push their hive mind on others.
The last thing I am is fragile, I’m not the one that’s offended by others vehicle choices.
Alright, explain the reasoning of your first comment in this thread. Because in that comment you’re justifying owning an SUV, but now you’re saying you don’t need to justify it. Clearly you felt the need to do it the first time around? I don’t see how that’s not a sign of a fragile ego.
Google pedestrian deaths by SUVs compared to conventional sedans. To say there is no rational argument against the SUV trend is laughably ignorant.
It also confuses me why yanks keep pretending small SUVs have more space than conventional station wagons. Unless you’re going full Yankee and think a 7 seater is “small”… despite the size they often have worse visibility and less passenger space, it’s a genuinely impressive how bad something like a Nissan kicks or toyota C-HR manage to be.
Ahahahahaha, fucking station wagon? Seriously? Sorry, the 1980’s are long gone.
The ridiculous arguments here are priceless. Guns kill people, pencils misspell words, and spoons make people fat right? Why blame the person behind the wheel, when you can blame the tool right? Personal responsibility? What’s that?
I’m seriously questioning at this point if you people even grasp what a CUV is, because that’s the overwhelming majority herez not the SUVs of 15yrs ago. I for your sake, I hope station wagon means something else there as well. NOBODY wants to be caught dead in a fucking station wagon
Ok so we could’ve saved time if you just said you’re the least cool person imaginable with negative sense of style. Claiming that this is somehow cooler than this is entirely indefensible, SUVs are the literal antithesis of cool, the “soccer mum” moniker is not a term of endearment and your insinuation that wagons are uncool or old fashioned is, at best, misinformed.
Aside from just being criminally uncool and unsexy, there are objective ways that SUVs/CUV are worse as well, most notably safety for other road users but also higher cost and of course the one people like me care about: that they also that they universally drive worse than a comparable passenger car.
I guess you didn’t Google the safety stats on SUVs vs passenger cars, your allegory to blaming the tools is flawed. It’s more like saying guns without safetys are more dangerous than those with them. All cars (much like all guns) are dangerous, but some are more likely to be involved in accidents than others.
Aside from those station wagons literally not exiting here, that I’d assume cx60? Is a lot more plain will less body lines than what we have, that stwag isn’t terrible looking, but still couldn’t do it. If people wanted them, they’d sell them here.
Also seems they have bigger engines and clearly a larger physical footprint than my wife’s CUV, so that argument is gone as well.
Yeah depending on where “here” is different things are available. If people don’t buy them or if dealers make more money off SUVs, then they will be gone.
Also seems they have bigger engines and clearly a larger physical footprint than my wife’s CUV, so that argument is gone as well.
Size and fuel economy weren’t things I mentioned above, but yeah I agree with you. Usually station wagons, like SUVs, have different engine configurations which dictates fuel economy more than ride height. The fuel efficiency argument against SUVs is a little out of date, the smaller ones are shared chassis with passenger cars often with the same engine, so fuel economy is more or less unchanged and the aero is worse on an SUV, but the kind we are discussing it’s not really significant. By footprint I guess you mean length, which in the example I have is right, obviously height goes the other way. Smaller SUVs are more comparable to hatchbacks (eg Mazda 3 is the same as CX-30), I don’t think the mid sized car platform is as directly comparable to the mid sized CUV/SUV.
How often do you carry large bulky items that you specifically need an SUV for? Because I’m pretty certain the justification you use happens maybe 4 times a year.
Constantly, kids, all the shit that comes along with them, groceries, home improvement store runs. Are you in the US? I don’t think you grasp what (today) Small SUV/CUVs are. Theres also no need for “justification”. They get better MPG and put out less on the emissions side than the normal cars did before them, there’s no rational argument against them. Just people that like to cry.
You can fit a dog, 1 child, 1 toddler, a stroller and 3-4 bags of groceries and have space over for other “kid shit” in a VW Passat which is the US equivalent of a mid-size vehicle. The idea that you NEED an SUV for kids, kid shit and groceries is just false. And it’s not like you’re doing home improvement store runs while all the before-mentioned people/things in the car which means those can also just as easily fit those as well.
As for “they get better MPG” feel free to show me the SUV that has this exceptional mileage that has similar spec sedans beaten.
LOL, do you think we don’t have VW Passats in the US? And again with justification. Her SUV gets great MPG, even for a “car” and gives us room do actually do things comfortably, not shit smashed against the windows. You Eurpoeans just clearly like to be cramped everywhere you go, your apartments, your cars, your alley ways that you call streets, your little dorm fridges that are supposed to hold enough food for a family somehow. No thanks. I don’t have to “justify” anything, nor do we need to buy clown cars to make cry babies happy. If SUVs of today got 10mpg like the originals, there could be an argument, that’s long gone.
Also, 3-4 bags of groceries? You must use that NEED with your eating as well, just enough to not die huh?
You know, we wouldn’t be having this discussion if you had owned your ignorance and arrogance. The only reason we’re having this conversation is because of your need to justify your wife’s shitty SUV. I simply called you out because I know it’s BS. Had you said “I’m a stupid fucker and I love SUV-s” there would’ve been nothing for me to say because it’s the only justification for owning an SUV. All you had to do was own the truth, but you wanted to give some “real” justifications with hopes of someone validating your (or your wife’s) shitty decision. That way you wouldn’t have to accept the real reason for owning an SUV.
If you want to continue raging go ahead, I couldn’t care less. Just own up the real reason you (or your wife) owns an SUV.
No, the ignorant one would be you thinking that I, my wife or anybody else needs to “justify” what they buy to anybody.
My (actual truck) is much larger than her CUV, go loose some sleep over that. I assure you that when I had a yard of topsoil in its bed last week to do my fall landscaping, that your car, an SUV or any training truck couldn’t have physically done it, because they can’t. They also couldn’t pull my camper, probably not even my boat.
Get this through your thick European skull, were not Europe, we don’t want to be Europe, we don’t need to justify or make excuses for what we want, or what we buy. That’s a thing only you people do so that you can virtue signal others into excepting you. That’s called living in a free country. I know that’s overload for your underpowered brain, but that’s how it is, and that’s how it’s always going to be. Feel free to never come here, we don’t want you.
The whole point of my previous comment was that you don’t need to justify your SUV (or your truck) and you should just own your decision and let the rest of us think of you as an asshole. I’m going to be nice and assume you just wanted to repeat my own point back to me, you know to show that you do in fact have reading comprehension.
But it seems you missed something the first time so I’m going to rephrase the following using more plain words - the reason this thread exists in the first place is because you wanted to justify your SUV. For some reason you didn’t take your own advice (about not needing to justify some things) because we wouldn’t be here if you did. But here’s to hoping that next time you take your own advice before you let your fragile ego write the comment.
The only people that would think somebody is an asshole for choosing a vehicle they personally didn’t want would be judgemental assholes themselves that try to shame people they disagree with and try to use social pressure to push their hive mind on others.
The last thing I am is fragile, I’m not the one that’s offended by others vehicle choices.
Enjoy your wimpy little Prius though.
Alright, explain the reasoning of your first comment in this thread. Because in that comment you’re justifying owning an SUV, but now you’re saying you don’t need to justify it. Clearly you felt the need to do it the first time around? I don’t see how that’s not a sign of a fragile ego.
Google pedestrian deaths by SUVs compared to conventional sedans. To say there is no rational argument against the SUV trend is laughably ignorant.
It also confuses me why yanks keep pretending small SUVs have more space than conventional station wagons. Unless you’re going full Yankee and think a 7 seater is “small”… despite the size they often have worse visibility and less passenger space, it’s a genuinely impressive how bad something like a Nissan kicks or toyota C-HR manage to be.
Ahahahahaha, fucking station wagon? Seriously? Sorry, the 1980’s are long gone.
The ridiculous arguments here are priceless. Guns kill people, pencils misspell words, and spoons make people fat right? Why blame the person behind the wheel, when you can blame the tool right? Personal responsibility? What’s that?
I’m seriously questioning at this point if you people even grasp what a CUV is, because that’s the overwhelming majority herez not the SUVs of 15yrs ago. I for your sake, I hope station wagon means something else there as well. NOBODY wants to be caught dead in a fucking station wagon
Ok so we could’ve saved time if you just said you’re the least cool person imaginable with negative sense of style. Claiming that this is somehow cooler than this is entirely indefensible, SUVs are the literal antithesis of cool, the “soccer mum” moniker is not a term of endearment and your insinuation that wagons are uncool or old fashioned is, at best, misinformed.
Aside from just being criminally uncool and unsexy, there are objective ways that SUVs/CUV are worse as well, most notably safety for other road users but also higher cost and of course the one people like me care about: that they also that they universally drive worse than a comparable passenger car.
I guess you didn’t Google the safety stats on SUVs vs passenger cars, your allegory to blaming the tools is flawed. It’s more like saying guns without safetys are more dangerous than those with them. All cars (much like all guns) are dangerous, but some are more likely to be involved in accidents than others.
Aside from those station wagons literally not exiting here, that I’d assume cx60? Is a lot more plain will less body lines than what we have, that stwag isn’t terrible looking, but still couldn’t do it. If people wanted them, they’d sell them here.
Also seems they have bigger engines and clearly a larger physical footprint than my wife’s CUV, so that argument is gone as well.
Yeah depending on where “here” is different things are available. If people don’t buy them or if dealers make more money off SUVs, then they will be gone.
Size and fuel economy weren’t things I mentioned above, but yeah I agree with you. Usually station wagons, like SUVs, have different engine configurations which dictates fuel economy more than ride height. The fuel efficiency argument against SUVs is a little out of date, the smaller ones are shared chassis with passenger cars often with the same engine, so fuel economy is more or less unchanged and the aero is worse on an SUV, but the kind we are discussing it’s not really significant. By footprint I guess you mean length, which in the example I have is right, obviously height goes the other way. Smaller SUVs are more comparable to hatchbacks (eg Mazda 3 is the same as CX-30), I don’t think the mid sized car platform is as directly comparable to the mid sized CUV/SUV.