If all one read were these stories, it would appear that the Bible is unequivocal in its condemnation of gender expansiveness and that all of Christendom is unflinching in its interpretation of that scripture.

Nothing could be further from the truth. As scholars who have studied the Bible for decades, we believe transgender people—just like all people—are our sacred, precious, divinely cherished neighbors. There’s no reason that one narrow religious interpretation should be able to dictate policy and structure our community.

The author of Genesis writes that “male and female [God] created them” (1.27). While some point to this scripture as confirmation of a gender binary, others identify it as a rhetorical device known as a merism, used frequently throughout the Bible to describe an expansive concept.

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    It’s high time the church condemned all this hate and the co-opting of what was, at some point, theoretically, a religion built on a message of peace and love for all creation, not having 100 children and hoarding wealth.

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      There is no “the church” and several churches came out in support of transgender people a while ago.

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    The problem with transgender acceptance by deists is that the very existence of trans people implies that their god could make a mistake. So if you believe that the soul is this whole separate thing, then the “problem” with trans people — and I want those quotes to be read as very big air quotes — is that their soul does not match their body. That they were given the wrong body. There are also cisgendered people who are born infertile, and there are intersex people, and there are people with both sets of genitalia, and all of these imply the same thing: their god makes mistakes. But their religion needs their god to be infallible. So it just makes the religion fall apart, and the religious people, historically, have tried to stop these “anomalies” from existing. Only problem is, cisgendered and heterosexual people won’t stop making gay babies (and all the other “anomalies”).

    But you don’t need the LGBTQ+ community to undo the concept of divine infallibility. Say you’re walking down a dark alley for some reason, and you see a man SA’ing a young girl. What are you going to do? Mind your business and keep it moving? Hell no, you’re going to do something. And that’s a big hole in the reasoning of most deist religions. They say their god is omnipresent (everywhere), and omniscient (sees everything), and omnipotent (limitless power), so, why doesn’t he/it stop the SA from taking place? Why is it even an option for an adult to do that to a child? It just makes no sense. We’re not omnipotent but we’re gonna do something. Now, the deist can say, “God did something — he sent you.” Okay, fine, but what about the kids who don’t get helped? What did they do wrong? And it gets worse — a lot worse. Say the guy gets caught and goes to prison. Meanwhile the girl doesn’t get the help she needs, because half the men think she asked for it, and the others don’t know what to do or say. They treat her like damaged goods. So she cuts herself, one day she cuts too deep and dies. Well, Christianity says suicide is an unforgivable sin. So now she’s going to Hell. Meanwhile, her attacker finds Jesus in prison (mostly because the Christians have access to meth and other drugs), so when he dies in a fight or drug overdose or whatever, he’s accepted Christ, and per John 3:16 he’s got an express pass through the Pearly Gates. So when her family members die, they just, what, accept that they’re never going to see her again, because she’s burning in Hell, and this guy who did it to her gets into Heaven, and what, they just forgive him? Yeah, that’s a whole lotta nope. And I got off the “fuck no” train a long time ago — when this hypothetical all-powerful god turned his back on a child. I’ve held a small child who had been abused, who is stopping me from fighting for them because they believe I can protect them, so they pull my arm across them like a seatbelt and squeeze for dear life. And I’d take a bullet for this child, but I’d rather just get up and knock their stepdad TF out, but this child is shaking like they’re about to have a heart attack and I can’t leave them. I can’t do it. So I can’t follow most religions. I don’t wanna dis religious people because I feel like they’re just trying to do their best, but religion in general? It’s not for me. Maybe some kind of Buddhism or other spiritual thing, maybe I could do one of those, but our modern religions? Christianity, Judaism, Islam? Not for me.

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      The problem with transgender acceptance by deists is that the very existence of trans people implies that their god could make a mistake.

      Says who? Sure some religious people but also many religious leaders specifically say the opposite.

      Transgender people have always been part of the human experience and if you take even a tiny peak at how diverse gender, sexuality and everything involved gets in the natural world you can clearly see that if God exists they are probably a fan of creativity and diversity when it comes to these things…

      So no, you cannot assert that deists necessarily see trans people as indicator that god made a mistake.

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        They do. And I disagree with them. Those points are clear. Theirs and mine. I’m not exactly sure what yours is, though. Going off your second paragraph, I’m guessing you agree with me, but you also want to please the deists… maybe? Eh, either way, I’m not willing to budge on my position. This isn’t a ChangeMyMind comm.

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    The original bible was transphobic though. Since transphobia is bad, we should also agree the Bible is bad, rather than all this whitewashing to try and make god mutable and change to whatever the current morality is.

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      I’m an ex-evanglical turned athiest who was practically antitheist for many years, but… The older I get the more I realize how unimportant judging others beliefs is. I love and appreciate a group of folks who believe in God and the Bible but are also kind to trans people and defends their right to exist against the real religious bigots.