A nightmare scenario previously only imagined by AI researchers, where AI image generators accidentally spit out non-consensual pornography of real people, is now reality.

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    1 year ago

    You think those images are exact replicas of an input those models were trained on?

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      1 year ago

      My complaint actually hinges on models not emitting an exact replica. That would be obvious infringement. In cases like DreamGF, they would be wide-open to lawsuits from very wealthy people whose primary asset is their right of publicity.

      What these ML companies are doing is: They are identifying where the line of definite infringement lies, and aiming their business as close to that line as possible.

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          1 year ago

          Well, setting aside that there’s no law against being a total asshole, so like… We don’t have to make a bad behavior illegal in order to complain about it…

          There’s the letter of the law, and there’s the intent. We start with a shared cultural attitude of how we should treat each other, and then we turn that into a quantifiable, objective rule that we can enforce through law.

          We can try to make the law match our cultural attitudes as closely as possible, but there will always be gaps.

          Now, I’ve got my own beef with how our IP and publicity laws work, and I’d like them to be more permissive in many ways. Much of IP law is exploitative, takes advantage of creators more than it protects them, and has lagged way behind where our social norms are these days.

          But these ML companies aren’t interested in abiding by any social norms at all. Only paying lip service to current laws, which were written in a time before these “AI” services were even a possibility – skating by on technicalities, like a little brother poking the air 2 inches from your face and taunting “I’m not touching you! I’m not touching you!”

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      It specifically says in the article that some of them are exactly that.

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        1 year ago

        Where? Closest I can find is a reference to an “AI-generated nude of someone who looked like Margot Robbie, and another image of Lopez.”

        “Looking like” a person is not at all the same as “reproducing an exact replica of an input.”

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          I think the idea is that if the model doesn’t know what Jennifer Lopez is, it couldn’t make imitations of her naked.

          Realistically that ship has sailed and AI is capable enough now that even if the data wasn’t there it could be pretty easily added.

          It will need to become a simple fact of life. If we can imagine something now, we can have pictures of it. There is no putting this back in the bottle.

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            1 year ago

            “Knowing what Jennifer Lopez looks like” is a very distinct thing from “reproducing an exact replica” of training data. OP appears to be arguing that the former is not true because he thinks the latter is true, but it’s actually the opposite. That’s the crux of what I’m arguing here, OP is simply factually wrong about his position.

            Edit: OP has pointed out that he doesn’t actually think there are exact replicas being produced, which just makes this even more confusing.

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              OP has pointed out that he doesn’t actually think there are exact replicas being produced, which just makes this even more confusing.

              Your misread their first comment, I think.

              They were saying that DESPITE the common arguments that AI only learns and doesn’t copy exactly it might still be good to require consent for people’s content to be in training data.