• ThatWeirdGuy1001@lemmy.world
    712·
    11 months ago

    As a former child this is nothing new to me. I remember how much I hated when the teacher had people read things out loud in English class. Hell honestly any class. The amount of people who read like every. Word. Had. A. Period. And the people who would read any word longer than 3 syllables like it was hy-phe-na-ted. It was fucking torture.

    20 minutes to read one single page.

    • LagrangePoint@lemmy.world
      30·
      11 months ago

      Yeah, this was torture in grade school. I figured it would get better in middle school.

      Then it was torture in middle school and I thought it would get better in high school.

      Then it was STILL torture in high school and I thought it would surely, surely get better in college.

      Then I got to college and there were still mofos reading. like. this.

      • maniacal_gaff@lemmy.world
        15·
        11 months ago

        I am an engineer who oversees a team. Most of them can’t write more than a coherent sentence. Code and analyze data, sure, but put together a coherent paragraph? Not really.

        • ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.worldEnglish
          262·
          11 months ago

          There’s a weird ongoing thing in the programming world where about half of coders think code should be well-commented and the other half not only think that code shouldn’t contain comments but also think that comments are an indicator of professional incompetence (aka a “code smell”). I’ve long noticed that the anti-commenting crowd are also the ones that can’t write very well.

            • Gabu@lemmy.world
              42·
              11 months ago

              People who dislike code documentation are often overoptimizers, from my experience.

          • kicksystem@lemmy.world
            8·
            11 months ago

            One way my code improves is by thinking what I need to comment. Then I refactor some and the comments become somewhat redundant.

        • kicksystem@lemmy.world
          3·
          11 months ago

          I have had to tell software engineers time and time again that is is totally okay to make error strings beyond one sentence or one word. It almost seems to me that they never realized that strings can hold multiple sentences and and don’t have relevant memory constraints.

    • rosymind@leminal.space
      20·
      11 months ago

      I was shy-ish and didn’t participate much, but I would often volunteer to read aloud. It was easier for everyone that way, since one of the few things I was exceptional at was reading

      I also couldn’t stand reading along with someone who couldn’t. It was too painful

    • sleepmode@lemmy.world
      10·
      11 months ago

      I got in trouble for correcting other kids that didn’t grasp phonics. In first grade. I was a little asshole but I was just trying to help. Also it was painful as hell.

      • MystikIncarnate@lemmy.caEnglish
        111·
        11 months ago

        Hooked on phonics worked for me.

        … I’m actually not cracking a joke. One of the few memories I have from when I was very young (under maybe 6 or so) was going through hooked on phonics material.

        In my college years, while not focused on language or communication (I’m an IT technician, specializing in computer networking) I became obsessed with the English language and it’s been a long term study for me. I’m still learning new things all the time despite English being my only fluent language. The nuances of when to use what terms despite each term being roughly equivalent (such as: what is the difference is between “affect” and “effect”), and other such oddities and specifics. College didn’t really tell me anything new about the language I speak, but dealing with everyone’s terrible use of the language, and being misunderstood many times because of poor structure or word selection caused me to want to step up so I can reduce how many follow ups I have to deal with to clarify myself.

        I find most people are almost unnecessarily terse, leaving out important context that they think is obvious and assume that everyone who receives their message will make the same observation, when it’s not an obvious thing at all to many; this assumption is extremely common and often it’s not something that even crosses into the minds of those doing it. Such assumptions often lead to misunderstandings and are the basis of more than a few ha ha funny jokes in sitcoms, all of which I find rather cringe.

        As a society, we abuse language severely. By extension, otherwise mundane situations can turn hazardous or even lethal if a misunderstanding happens; and many leave a lot of the context, and a fundamental understanding of context, to the assumptions of the reader/listener. It’s really dumb IMO.

        If the literal majority of people are reading at a 6th grade level, the society in which we live should be making efforts to improve that. Bluntly, I shouldn’t need to “read between the lines” to understand what you want me to do.

        • PersnickityPenguin@lemm.ee
          5·
          11 months ago

          I ran your comment through a word analyzer, and you will be happy to know your text scored at a 12th grade level!

          Unfortunately, that means that most Americans will be unable to comprehend what you wrote. Sort of a catch-22 I suppose, although it may provide a natural filtering device to filter out the idiots, I suppose.

        • jarfil@lemmy.world
          3·
          11 months ago

          nuances of when to use what terms despite each term being roughly equivalent (such as: what is the difference is between “affect” and “effect”)

          Maybe it’s an effect of me having English as a 3rd language, but… what nuance? They’re two different words.

          I find most people are almost unnecessarily terse, leaving out important context that they think is obvious and assume that everyone who receives their message will make the same observation

          I shouldn’t need to “read between the lines” to understand what you want me to do.

          I’ve been told that’s an aspect of being on the autistic spectrum, that “normal people” will have no trouble picking up on the missing context.

          Always sounded to me like an excuse for being sloppy, like maybe the lazies are lowering the “autism” bar too low… but who am I to judge anyone, but a simple chap on the spectrum.

          • MystikIncarnate@lemmy.caEnglish
            1·
            11 months ago

            I can usually (about 98% of the time) pick up on the assumed context. I recognise that not everyone does, so I try not to make the assumption. For me that goes back to the curse of knowledge problem more than anything. It makes sense to me because I know the context and underlying information about the matter. I try not to make an assumption that everyone will know that when reading my notes/emails/documentation/etc.

            Native English speakers use affect and effect fairly interchangeably, so most don’t know the difference because they haven’t opened dictionary.com in a decade or more.