• captainlezbian@lemmy.world
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    One of the few cases where consent of anything can be assumed is lifesaving of a person unable to respond. One of the first steps of cpr is to seek a response to ensure that the person is unconscious before then confirming no pulse.

    But yeah I get why it’s awkward

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        I’m not CPR certified or anything, but I think if you’re just grabbing titties you’re probably doing it wrong.

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          For sure! But I didn’t say you WERE grabbing titties, just that you’re perceived to be.

          I mean just getting the electrodes on for a defibrillator you have to lift their shirt…

          Can you see that being perceived poorly?

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            Unlikely that someone holding a defibrillator next to someone passed out on the ground is going to be perceived poorly.

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              Unfortunately in a panic scenario like that, sometimes people don’t see things as clearly as they might normally.

              And people aren’t great on a normal day either.

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                Fortunately they are cheap and easy to use correctly (and nearly impossible to use wrong), as such they are all over. If you are in a public place I’d be surprised if you didn’t have ready access to a defibrillator in the US, though you may not realize where it is.

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              You would think so, right? But the reality is that men are always assumed to have the worst intentions. Especially in hindsight. i.e. “he didn’t need to do that right? he must be trying to cop a feel”.

              Same reason men aren’t usually kindergarten teachers, because they’re immediately assumed to be pedos.

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            I mean just getting the electrodes on for a defibrillator you have to lift their shirt

            You also need to make sure their bra doesn’t have an underwire and remove it if there is.

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          Even though you’re joking I wouldn’t be surprised if someone did react like that. “Uhhmmmm, that’s no CPR, you’re just fondling her! I know because I went to CPR training.”

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        The instructors advise you to speak aloud your actions as you do them. Also helps if you have already levelled out instructions to the rent a crowd to perform specific tasks like send for help and get the defib and you three who said yes to cpr training let’s line up and take turns doing cpr.

        …of course, the training to be comfortable giving these instructions is not really done.

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          Absolutely!

          And what if you’re outside a bar and everyone is drunk?

          Unfortunately life doesn’t provide ideal scenarios, not to mention that under the duress of what you’re doing you may forget steps.

          I’m not saying that fondling an unconscious person is the same as cpr, but that perceptions are funny things.

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        Then put whichever Karen looks fiercest in charge of compressions. Either she’ll get in there and do them, or she’ll demur, in which case you say you will and she should watch so she can start when you get tired. That makes her your witness. Don’t forget to tell someone else to call emergency services.

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        If you’re touching her tits, you’re not giving proper CPR. Proper CPR happens just below the sternum. That’s well below any kind of bra band. If her tits are that low, she’s either an EE cup or 80 years old.

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          Huh, I looked it up and checked out the instructions and diagrams of several websites. Every one of them said to place your hands on the upper part of the chest and every image showed their hands between the nipples.

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            I heard the saying: if you didn’t break a rib you didn’t do CPR right. So I’m pretty sure it’s not beneath the sternum

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          You need to compress the chest, so pressure needs to go on the sternum. If you’re pressing below it, the only thing you’re compressing is their intestines, which is not gonna help anyone

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          Okay but we’ve already established that it’s not about what you ARE doing, but what people think you’re doing.

          Perception.

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          Wouldn’t that break the xyphoid process? Below that is where you Heimlich. Above, on the strong center bone, is where you do chest compression. Also, as a haver of boobs, I can vouch that they will have enough space between them when she’s flat on her back and braless that you can put your locked fists between them on that bone and shove the heel of your hand towards the floor.