You know i really hope you are right. Maybe my mind has been infiltrated by the zionist agenda and propaganda media of which they supposedly own worldwide. But saying that they are causing their own fear seems a bit like a stretch. It’s touching the “It didnt happend, and if it did, its not that bad” to “its your own fault”. Jews in other countries are not part of the “zionist agenda” and claiming they are self alarming is really twisting words. There is a long and wide spread history in europe of antisemitism and even if you don’t see it maybe you’ll acknowledge that all minorities are subject to hate where jews are in a fragile position as they are few - along with israeli government doing what it does. The Porto synagogue was vandalized right after the october event along with the Jewish Cultural Center among other events. Maybe that is also manifactured by die judischen zeitungen. It’s a bit of a Catch-22, where you don’t think that Jews are in any danger whatsoever but when reading about it, statistics and newspapers are lying so even if they would be persecuted you would never know.
That’s a curious take when I’ve repeatedly reiterated that there is anti-semitism and even pointed some of those who tends to to do it.
What I’m disputing is the level of alarmism about it.
Jews in Europe are victims of prejudice, at times even racial hate from people not in positions of authority (almost always in the form of anti-semitic insults, but also as you point out crimes against Jewish Community property). They are however in not in significant more danger for their lives than the locals, are almost never targets of violence and are treated fairly and taken seriously by the local authorities.
(That said, I do vaguely remember in the last couple of years an instance of actual violent attack on Jews in Europe, so Jewish People are in higher danger than the locals, not with high probability but none the less at higher levels)
There absolutely still is a problem, just nowhere at the levels that we have once seen and far less than for other minorities, mainly because nowadays it’s only the powerless that might target Jews, not the powerful.
For Historical reasons there seems to definitely and understandably be a higher sensitivity amongst the Jewish Community to displays of prejudice, which partly explains the higher state of alarm when faced with prejudice of any kind (which also translates into more prompt reporting of those instances to the authorities, perversely enhancing the alarmism because what’s reported is what gets reflected in the official figures) compared to how other minorities feel and react even when faced with a lot more prejudice (and those will report less, especially since the authorities themselves discriminate against them, hence the official figures for them is lower than reality), and given that Jews, just like everybody else, “find it difficult to acknowledge that people with other backgrounds are subject to hate”, many will have a perception of victimhood wholly decontextualized from the broader phenomenon of prejudice and racial hate in the countries they live in.
All of this is of curse actively cultivated by a country ruled by an ethno-Fascist regime which claims to represent that specific ethnicity, since it’s pretty standard in the Fascist playbook to claim both strength and being a victim, and specifically ethno-Fascist regimes enhance their claims of representing a ethnicity if the people of that ethnicity gather around that regime.
All this said, I can understand that the rise of the Far-Right in Europe is scary for Jews here, because the Far-Right in Europe have historically tended to be rabid anti-semites. So far the Far-Right being anti-semitic only seems to be the case in some countries (they’re mostly against immigrants), but that fear amongst the Jewish Community is none the less justified.
Maybe we need a different approach. As you don’t trust the numbers like i presented before where antisemitic hate crime reporting is 10-20 times as high as islamophobic hate crime reporting, what is a sufficient, or acceptable matrix that you would trust? I’m sure we can find out something we can both agree on. I’m prepared to accept whatever result, maybe i’m full of it but if there is no metric that you accept, there doesn’t seem to be any reason to debate in good faith.
You know i really hope you are right. Maybe my mind has been infiltrated by the zionist agenda and propaganda media of which they supposedly own worldwide. But saying that they are causing their own fear seems a bit like a stretch. It’s touching the “It didnt happend, and if it did, its not that bad” to “its your own fault”. Jews in other countries are not part of the “zionist agenda” and claiming they are self alarming is really twisting words. There is a long and wide spread history in europe of antisemitism and even if you don’t see it maybe you’ll acknowledge that all minorities are subject to hate where jews are in a fragile position as they are few - along with israeli government doing what it does. The Porto synagogue was vandalized right after the october event along with the Jewish Cultural Center among other events. Maybe that is also manifactured by die judischen zeitungen. It’s a bit of a Catch-22, where you don’t think that Jews are in any danger whatsoever but when reading about it, statistics and newspapers are lying so even if they would be persecuted you would never know.
That’s a curious take when I’ve repeatedly reiterated that there is anti-semitism and even pointed some of those who tends to to do it.
What I’m disputing is the level of alarmism about it.
Jews in Europe are victims of prejudice, at times even racial hate from people not in positions of authority (almost always in the form of anti-semitic insults, but also as you point out crimes against Jewish Community property). They are however in not in significant more danger for their lives than the locals, are almost never targets of violence and are treated fairly and taken seriously by the local authorities.
(That said, I do vaguely remember in the last couple of years an instance of actual violent attack on Jews in Europe, so Jewish People are in higher danger than the locals, not with high probability but none the less at higher levels)
There absolutely still is a problem, just nowhere at the levels that we have once seen and far less than for other minorities, mainly because nowadays it’s only the powerless that might target Jews, not the powerful.
For Historical reasons there seems to definitely and understandably be a higher sensitivity amongst the Jewish Community to displays of prejudice, which partly explains the higher state of alarm when faced with prejudice of any kind (which also translates into more prompt reporting of those instances to the authorities, perversely enhancing the alarmism because what’s reported is what gets reflected in the official figures) compared to how other minorities feel and react even when faced with a lot more prejudice (and those will report less, especially since the authorities themselves discriminate against them, hence the official figures for them is lower than reality), and given that Jews, just like everybody else, “find it difficult to acknowledge that people with other backgrounds are subject to hate”, many will have a perception of victimhood wholly decontextualized from the broader phenomenon of prejudice and racial hate in the countries they live in.
All of this is of curse actively cultivated by a country ruled by an ethno-Fascist regime which claims to represent that specific ethnicity, since it’s pretty standard in the Fascist playbook to claim both strength and being a victim, and specifically ethno-Fascist regimes enhance their claims of representing a ethnicity if the people of that ethnicity gather around that regime.
All this said, I can understand that the rise of the Far-Right in Europe is scary for Jews here, because the Far-Right in Europe have historically tended to be rabid anti-semites. So far the Far-Right being anti-semitic only seems to be the case in some countries (they’re mostly against immigrants), but that fear amongst the Jewish Community is none the less justified.
Maybe we need a different approach. As you don’t trust the numbers like i presented before where antisemitic hate crime reporting is 10-20 times as high as islamophobic hate crime reporting, what is a sufficient, or acceptable matrix that you would trust? I’m sure we can find out something we can both agree on. I’m prepared to accept whatever result, maybe i’m full of it but if there is no metric that you accept, there doesn’t seem to be any reason to debate in good faith.