My beef is with the doctors who prescribe antidepressants without proper investigation of the causes of the symptoms.
I feel like you haven’t gone through the process yourself. I got driven to the point of confessing I would be better off dead before I was considered for anti depressants, it’s not just a “I’m sad today” “ok here are anti depressants”
This is a legitimate conversation, but not the time and place. I have had similar issues with SSRI’s being the only solution presented to me (despite previous experiences + knowledge of my body’s previous reactions to these medication being articulated in my refusal) and this is very much due to having an AFAB body.
However, SSRI’s are an effective medication for many people, and the priority in this conversation needs to be on this deranged attack on medical expertise and established understandings of the science. There very much are serious issues with diagnoses/prescriptions being used as alternatives to acknowledging societal problems and a way to make invisible/medically gaslight the understudied chronic illnesses primarily experienced by women, but there are also people who are chemically depressed and are being served by the chemical treatment model - attacks on this fact are profoundly unscientific and harmful and the fact that they are being made by someone potentially leading the medical “establishment” = DEFCON 1.
your contributions are irrelevant to the topic, and also super shitty to bring up around a lot of people that’re scared for the mental health of their families. “your beef” isn’t worth sniffing, so please take it elsewhere. you should be able to tell from ratios alone that your comments are unwelcome, shameless, and tactless.
YOU FEEL UNSEEN BY YOUR DOCTORS BECAUSE THEY DISMISS YOUR PAIN
that’s not related whatsoever, i’m sorry, i used to be in your position, i hope you get a real diagnosis for what’s wrong (mine was hEDS) because most doctors say it’s fibromyalgia when they don’t know and they’ve given up… that’s for-profit medicine for you… but, as i’ve covered elsewhere
people take anti-depressants for several problems, including fibromyalgia
The thing is, RFK Jr is not saying “let’s take a step back and look at reasonable alternatives to over prescription. Let’s analyze factors like medical misogyny and the way that the current mental health system prioritizes functioning in a capitalist system over actual wellness, and sticks to cheap/easy solutions like SSRI’s and CBT to create a better system.”
RFK Jr is playing into the Alex Jones script which has been playing for at least a full decade - that antidepressants are an evil plot by the globalists to drug us into submission (or even to trigger mass shootings - they’ve tried to lay every mass shooting at the feet of trans people or people on SSRI’s). The solution that will be advocated for is categorizing those unable to function without these medications as disabled/second class citizens. It’s not like doctors are magically going to go “well, they legislated the SSRI’s away, now I can no longer dismiss women’s medical complaints and have to address the issue” - it’s just going to take away effective treatment from the people who need them.
Trust me, I fucking hate the mental health field. There’s a replicability crisis in psych, no known mechanisms for how SSRI’s even work, and definitely the attitude that the first and only step should be medicating the problem away. But right wing grifters with brain worms are not going to fix anything.
So, do you think it might be related to how the US isnuniquely the only industrialized nation with no universal health care, minimal (if any) social safety nets, a shit economy that only benefits the upper 1%, and the very obvious fascist heading our country is on?
as someone that was also given an Rx for antidepressants due to a “fibromyalgia” diagnosis, it’s a working theory that one of the reasons for that disorder is, in fact, neurotransmitter dysregulation (e.g., norepinephrine) so that’s not completely off-base… sorry. it sucks, but it has to be eliminated as a mechanism. is it possible you have undiagnosed hEDS? that was the case with me, and a geneticist was able to sus it out. please google it, because if you’ve been diagnosed with fibro it means you have a vague nebula of symptoms that could be any number of things (e.g., lupus) and requires an extensive differential diagnosis which usually ends up being something else (if you’re anything like me).
I feel like you haven’t gone through the process yourself. I got driven to the point of confessing I would be better off dead before I was considered for anti depressants, it’s not just a “I’m sad today” “ok here are anti depressants”
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I’ve been down the other road. Countless doctors dismissing symptoms as stress rather than fibromyalgia and prescribing antidepressants.
https://www.northwell.edu/katz-institute-for-womens-health/articles/gaslighting-in-womens-health
This is a legitimate conversation, but not the time and place. I have had similar issues with SSRI’s being the only solution presented to me (despite previous experiences + knowledge of my body’s previous reactions to these medication being articulated in my refusal) and this is very much due to having an AFAB body.
However, SSRI’s are an effective medication for many people, and the priority in this conversation needs to be on this deranged attack on medical expertise and established understandings of the science. There very much are serious issues with diagnoses/prescriptions being used as alternatives to acknowledging societal problems and a way to make invisible/medically gaslight the understudied chronic illnesses primarily experienced by women, but there are also people who are chemically depressed and are being served by the chemical treatment model - attacks on this fact are profoundly unscientific and harmful and the fact that they are being made by someone potentially leading the medical “establishment” = DEFCON 1.
I highlighted this group at the top of this thread. My beef is with dismissive doctors, not their chemically imbalanced patients.
your contributions are irrelevant to the topic, and also super shitty to bring up around a lot of people that’re scared for the mental health of their families. “your beef” isn’t worth sniffing, so please take it elsewhere. you should be able to tell from ratios alone that your comments are unwelcome, shameless, and tactless.
Lazy doctors pushing big pharma sponsored pills is right on topic. It doesn’t apply to everyone, but it applies to a large number of people.
11% of Americans over the age of 12 take an antidepressant.
This is a problem that shouldn’t be ignored even if it is being raised by a right wing, brain worm eaten anti vaxxer.
the reason you’re in this thread is because
YOU FEEL UNSEEN BY YOUR DOCTORS BECAUSE THEY DISMISS YOUR PAIN
that’s not related whatsoever, i’m sorry, i used to be in your position, i hope you get a real diagnosis for what’s wrong (mine was hEDS) because most doctors say it’s fibromyalgia when they don’t know and they’ve given up… that’s for-profit medicine for you… but, as i’ve covered elsewhere
people take anti-depressants for several problems, including fibromyalgia
SO MAYBE you should take a step back and chill
Unfortunately it is related.
I hear a lot of anger and fear from people about their medication. And everyone believes their case is justified.
Antidepressants are too readily prescribed.
The US is the world leader.
These two facts are relevant and not about me personally. They can’t be simply dismissed.
The thing is, RFK Jr is not saying “let’s take a step back and look at reasonable alternatives to over prescription. Let’s analyze factors like medical misogyny and the way that the current mental health system prioritizes functioning in a capitalist system over actual wellness, and sticks to cheap/easy solutions like SSRI’s and CBT to create a better system.”
RFK Jr is playing into the Alex Jones script which has been playing for at least a full decade - that antidepressants are an evil plot by the globalists to drug us into submission (or even to trigger mass shootings - they’ve tried to lay every mass shooting at the feet of trans people or people on SSRI’s). The solution that will be advocated for is categorizing those unable to function without these medications as disabled/second class citizens. It’s not like doctors are magically going to go “well, they legislated the SSRI’s away, now I can no longer dismiss women’s medical complaints and have to address the issue” - it’s just going to take away effective treatment from the people who need them.
Trust me, I fucking hate the mental health field. There’s a replicability crisis in psych, no known mechanisms for how SSRI’s even work, and definitely the attitude that the first and only step should be medicating the problem away. But right wing grifters with brain worms are not going to fix anything.
So, do you think it might be related to how the US isnuniquely the only industrialized nation with no universal health care, minimal (if any) social safety nets, a shit economy that only benefits the upper 1%, and the very obvious fascist heading our country is on?
Yes. “Cure all” pills are much cheaper than analysis. No wonder insurance pushes them.
Partially. This certainly increases stress and allows it to be (falsely?) used as a cause.
No. The rest of the world has worse economies but less antidepressants
Not the 1% in particular, but lower social class has higher usage of antidepressants.
Antidepressant overprescription has been building for more than a decade. It’s not just Trumps fault.
as someone that was also given an Rx for antidepressants due to a “fibromyalgia” diagnosis, it’s a working theory that one of the reasons for that disorder is, in fact, neurotransmitter dysregulation (e.g., norepinephrine) so that’s not completely off-base… sorry. it sucks, but it has to be eliminated as a mechanism. is it possible you have undiagnosed hEDS? that was the case with me, and a geneticist was able to sus it out. please google it, because if you’ve been diagnosed with fibro it means you have a vague nebula of symptoms that could be any number of things (e.g., lupus) and requires an extensive differential diagnosis which usually ends up being something else (if you’re anything like me).
It’s that the symptoms constantly change that is so frustrating. Thanks for the tips.