Pretty sure they mean “actual leftist” as in “not just liberals and moderates.” Because there are plenty of instances with an axe to grind against Hexbear for their bad behavior.
Personally I suspect that Hexbear is inundated with bot farm trolls, but that’s not what I was getting at. I meant that despite what said trolls insist, one does not have to approve of Hexbear to be a leftist. Many leftists (not centrists or liberals, but proper leftists) take issue with Hexbear.
But yeah, Hexbear also gives zero shits about human rights. They mostly seem to be about breaking up any left-of-center coalitions that they can.
I haven’t seen any evidence for “bot farm trolls” on Hexbear and I use it, but either way the framing of the statement implies directly that Hexbear aren’t real Leftists, and that if one is a “real” Leftist that they should take issue with Hexbear.
Because leftists usually defend human rights, and the authoritarian regimes defended by some people on Hexbear (but also lemmygrad and ml) tend to attack those human rights when they are in the way of their ideology (not unlike the far right politicians).
It’s complete nonsense. Hexbear/lemmygrad/.ml have views that are consistent with pretty much every real life communist party, especially those in the global south.
If you don’t like communism that’s fine, but these textbook social democrats proclaiming themselves to be the true leftists are a joke. I think they just like the leftist label without having to actually walk the walk.
I’m aware. The “tankie” instances have stances that are overwhelmingly in line with Marxist orgs and parties worldwide, so the “anti-tankie” users either need to admit to just being anti-Marxist or try to honestly learn more.
I’ll always like to learn more!
Can you show me where Marx wrote to oppress workers, put the means of production in the hands of few and starve farmers to death?
What do you mean by “oligarchs painted in red?” How do you think AES states function? June 4th, 1989 was a tragic day where hundreds of people around Beijing were killed, students and soldiers alike, and the 1930s famine in the USSR was similarly tragic. I don’t think either the PRC or USSR intended for either of those events to happen the way they did.
@Cowbee From what i saw, i don’t see why you define yourself as leftist because your upvotes say otherwise and you didn’t apologize nor tried to amend for it because it wasn’t your. But you upvoted it.
It was a post where some hexbear account insulted me.
And there is a post where i saw your upvote and confronted you since you played as if you didn’t took part of it, didn’t know while being an advocate for hexbear’s instance.
That was one of my worst experience on internet.
It left me a very sour taste and when i showed your upvote, i hoped you would apologize, recognize that you played a role, then stand up and try to talk to them. Something like that.
However, you still ask us to change our view on hexbear while they continue doing the same thing…You may consider changing your point of view.
I can’t interact with MeanwhileOnGrad from either of my 2 accounts, so I’m not sure what you’re talking about. I remember an admin abusing admin privledges to try to intimidate me into apologizing about who I upvoted and downvoted, so if that’s you then I suppose that checks out.
@Cowbee
You don’t need an account to see what those post are about. You know why you can’t interact with them. You can see them.
No, sorry, i’m not the right person. I’m not an admin but an moderator. I don’t belong to the trial section of the mod team, i don’t take position.
Our vote are public, anyone can see them. For example on mbin. That’s when i decided to sent that screenshot because you were defending hexbear anywhere.
Yes, I know I can’t interact with MeanwhileOnGrad on Lemmy.ml because it’s blocked, and I can’t on Hexbear because sh.itjust.works is blocked. I don’t really care for those instances where stalkers post out of context screenshots in order to drum up hate against Communists, or where the admin peddles conspiracy theories about foreign nations pushing “transgender ideology” to radicalize youths against the US.
I tend to defend Hexbear because more often than not I see lies told about it from people who were correctly banned and lied about the reason for banning, or from anticommunists. I make it a point to study history and read Marx and Marxist theory, so when I see fabrications, I try to point them out.
For reference, I don’t think many people would want to go along with whatever you want them to if you try to reveal information normally kept private. I don’t really care about upvotes or downvotes, or who knows about them, but as a rule of thumb it isn’t pleasant to have people try to “expose” you and force an apology, no matter what it is.
It gives a hint to people about why some leftists don’t consider what they call tankies as the real left way, they can read the tankies Wikipedia page for more details. I’m not expecting the communities being targeted by the tankies qualifier to agree with it, I was writing for the vast majority of people who are not from those, especially the recent wave of former redditors.
What is an “actual leftist?” Why would Hexbear not count as Leftist?
Pretty sure they mean “actual leftist” as in “not just liberals and moderates.” Because there are plenty of instances with an axe to grind against Hexbear for their bad behavior.
Personally I suspect that Hexbear is inundated with bot farm trolls, but that’s not what I was getting at. I meant that despite what said trolls insist, one does not have to approve of Hexbear to be a leftist. Many leftists (not centrists or liberals, but proper leftists) take issue with Hexbear.
But yeah, Hexbear also gives zero shits about human rights. They mostly seem to be about breaking up any left-of-center coalitions that they can.
I haven’t seen any evidence for “bot farm trolls” on Hexbear and I use it, but either way the framing of the statement implies directly that Hexbear aren’t real Leftists, and that if one is a “real” Leftist that they should take issue with Hexbear.
Maybe take a look around the call center.
Funny, but doesn’t actually answer anything.
Because leftists usually defend human rights, and the authoritarian regimes defended by some people on Hexbear (but also lemmygrad and ml) tend to attack those human rights when they are in the way of their ideology (not unlike the far right politicians).
That’s very vague and doesn’t really say anything though. Why should someone listen to your take on it?
It’s complete nonsense. Hexbear/lemmygrad/.ml have views that are consistent with pretty much every real life communist party, especially those in the global south.
If you don’t like communism that’s fine, but these textbook social democrats proclaiming themselves to be the true leftists are a joke. I think they just like the leftist label without having to actually walk the walk.
I’m aware. The “tankie” instances have stances that are overwhelmingly in line with Marxist orgs and parties worldwide, so the “anti-tankie” users either need to admit to just being anti-Marxist or try to honestly learn more.
I’ll always like to learn more! Can you show me where Marx wrote to oppress workers, put the means of production in the hands of few and starve farmers to death?
Nowhere, but I’d like to know what you mean by any of that.
The stuff done by so called real life communist who pretty much always are oligarchs painted in red
https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tian’anmen-Massaker
https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor
I can’t see how Marx would approve any of that
What do you mean by “oligarchs painted in red?” How do you think AES states function? June 4th, 1989 was a tragic day where hundreds of people around Beijing were killed, students and soldiers alike, and the 1930s famine in the USSR was similarly tragic. I don’t think either the PRC or USSR intended for either of those events to happen the way they did.
I’m sorry did you just pull the “not radical enough” card on hexbear?
Mate I like your line but chill choom
No. On the people hating on hexbear and saying they are tankies/not real leftists
@Cowbee From what i saw, i don’t see why you define yourself as leftist because your upvotes say otherwise and you didn’t apologize nor tried to amend for it because it wasn’t your. But you upvoted it.
It was a post where some hexbear account insulted me.
Don’t know what you’re talking about, to be honest. Do you have a link?
@Cowbee
There is lot links in this community. I selected few one :
sh.itjust.works/post/26887977
sh.itjust.works/post/26892019
And there is a post where i saw your upvote and confronted you since you played as if you didn’t took part of it, didn’t know while being an advocate for hexbear’s instance.
That was one of my worst experience on internet.
It left me a very sour taste and when i showed your upvote, i hoped you would apologize, recognize that you played a role, then stand up and try to talk to them. Something like that.
However, you still ask us to change our view on hexbear while they continue doing the same thing…You may consider changing your point of view.
I can’t interact with MeanwhileOnGrad from either of my 2 accounts, so I’m not sure what you’re talking about. I remember an admin abusing admin privledges to try to intimidate me into apologizing about who I upvoted and downvoted, so if that’s you then I suppose that checks out.
@Cowbee
You don’t need an account to see what those post are about. You know why you can’t interact with them. You can see them.
No, sorry, i’m not the right person. I’m not an admin but an moderator. I don’t belong to the trial section of the mod team, i don’t take position.
Our vote are public, anyone can see them. For example on mbin. That’s when i decided to sent that screenshot because you were defending hexbear anywhere.
Yeah, but those that go and look to confront users are absolute losers. And I’d love mbin to fail for that “feature”
Yes, I know I can’t interact with MeanwhileOnGrad on Lemmy.ml because it’s blocked, and I can’t on Hexbear because sh.itjust.works is blocked. I don’t really care for those instances where stalkers post out of context screenshots in order to drum up hate against Communists, or where the admin peddles conspiracy theories about foreign nations pushing “transgender ideology” to radicalize youths against the US.
I tend to defend Hexbear because more often than not I see lies told about it from people who were correctly banned and lied about the reason for banning, or from anticommunists. I make it a point to study history and read Marx and Marxist theory, so when I see fabrications, I try to point them out.
For reference, I don’t think many people would want to go along with whatever you want them to if you try to reveal information normally kept private. I don’t really care about upvotes or downvotes, or who knows about them, but as a rule of thumb it isn’t pleasant to have people try to “expose” you and force an apology, no matter what it is.
Not much more reasons that listening to yours, we are just some pseudonyms sharing opinions on a public forum.
I feel that your comment was so vague it didn’t end up saying anything though.
It gives a hint to people about why some leftists don’t consider what they call tankies as the real left way, they can read the tankies Wikipedia page for more details. I’m not expecting the communities being targeted by the tankies qualifier to agree with it, I was writing for the vast majority of people who are not from those, especially the recent wave of former redditors.