You mean like Trump is doing? That’s what he’s doing, destroying the systems of federal law enforcement and the government being in charge of everything. And, just like in more or less every country where there’s no particular “democratic” machine to keep everything in check, the rich people can now take over unfettered by anything even nominally limiting them.
I think a lot of people tend to think in terms of “FBI is evil, destroy the FBI,” for pretty understandable reasons, without thinking through the “Okay what replaces the FBI? What happens next?” part of the planning. And likewise for political parties, for media empires, and so on.
Personally I think that a lot of the answer is in giving political power back to the unions. Stop the entire abstraction of having a class of “politicians” who have a big professional organization devoted to maintaining their power, and instead, have powerful unions organized by the people who are part of them, who keep themselves sharp by fighting with the capitalist class for a fair share, and then have those be the people who are determining who gets to be on the ballot, who is taking part in the debate, and et cetera. But keep the democratic systems intact obviously. I have no idea how it would work out in practice, but it seems pretty realistic in the long run to be able to do, and I think if we did that, the fact that there was an FBI and a federal court system would all of a sudden not lead to all this “cross the boss and God help you” type of behavior by it.
You said the system needs to be destroyed. Trump is destroying the system.
What are you proposing, that’s more nuanced than destroying the system? Destroying “the system” in terms of federal law enforcement and US government, at least, won’t suddenly mean that powerful people all of a sudden don’t have power. It takes a specific system to prevent people from becoming in charge of networks of other people, whatever details surround how that happens, and then wielding their power without limitations.
I don’t know, maybe I am misunderstanding what you’re proposing, and if I knew more about what you wanted to do I could speak more directly to it. What are you wanting to destroy, what do you want things to look like?
I‘m sorry. Whatever you‘re trying to say is not coming through. What trump is doing is the same all fascists als billionaires have been doing for the last thirty years, just accellerated. They build up walls against comptetition and destruct safeguards against authoritarianism.
What i meant was the system that profits off hard working people and supplies only the rich minority.
I don’t know, maybe I am misunderstanding what you’re proposing, and if I knew more about what you wanted to do I could speak more directly to it. What are you wanting to destroy, what do you want things to look like?
The core of my comment wasn’t "say"ing something, it was asking you a question. The system is fucked, yes. How are you proposing to fix it?
There is no fixing currently. We need to take out billionaires funds. They’ve taken over public opinion by corrupting the media and buying governments. They own essential supply lines in a lot of countries.
What we need is immediately turn essentials over to the people. Food, water, electricity, heat, transportation, living. No houses can stay empty while people are homeless. There can not be for profit companies controlling the food supply. Essentials are not for profit. The media also may not be privatized. Either journalist coops or nonprofits.
gather as many people who think this way as possible
help each other build supply and communication away from centralization
take part in as many nonviolent protests as possible
call to strikes on fashist companies
organize across borders
read the popular literature (CIA resistance handbook for germany, anarchist cookbook, etc)
I cant say what will happen when all those points have been followed by a lot of people. Either, the situation will improve or more and more people must be gathered.
The US is in a shitty situation and there is no fast way out. It has been long coming and everyone who could have participated in demonstrations but didnt has to admit fault.
Now there comes the long road to redemption. Buckle up and start marching. The worst thing to do now is nothing or saying it wont work. Thats how we all got here.
Yeah, maybe. The issue is that none of that (except #4) has anything to do with constraining or controlling centralized power. It’s not like it goes away if you’re not looking at it.
IDK, maybe what you’re talking about is just the precursor to setting up the better way, establishing some kind of unification that can fight back once it’s grown enough and be a decent place to live in the meantime. It could make sense.
You mean like Trump is doing? That’s what he’s doing, destroying the systems of federal law enforcement and the government being in charge of everything. And, just like in more or less every country where there’s no particular “democratic” machine to keep everything in check, the rich people can now take over unfettered by anything even nominally limiting them.
I think a lot of people tend to think in terms of “FBI is evil, destroy the FBI,” for pretty understandable reasons, without thinking through the “Okay what replaces the FBI? What happens next?” part of the planning. And likewise for political parties, for media empires, and so on.
Personally I think that a lot of the answer is in giving political power back to the unions. Stop the entire abstraction of having a class of “politicians” who have a big professional organization devoted to maintaining their power, and instead, have powerful unions organized by the people who are part of them, who keep themselves sharp by fighting with the capitalist class for a fair share, and then have those be the people who are determining who gets to be on the ballot, who is taking part in the debate, and et cetera. But keep the democratic systems intact obviously. I have no idea how it would work out in practice, but it seems pretty realistic in the long run to be able to do, and I think if we did that, the fact that there was an FBI and a federal court system would all of a sudden not lead to all this “cross the boss and God help you” type of behavior by it.
I agree with your second part, not the first. Trump is helping oligarchs pull more money and power upward. All this needs to go.
You said the system needs to be destroyed. Trump is destroying the system.
What are you proposing, that’s more nuanced than destroying the system? Destroying “the system” in terms of federal law enforcement and US government, at least, won’t suddenly mean that powerful people all of a sudden don’t have power. It takes a specific system to prevent people from becoming in charge of networks of other people, whatever details surround how that happens, and then wielding their power without limitations.
I don’t know, maybe I am misunderstanding what you’re proposing, and if I knew more about what you wanted to do I could speak more directly to it. What are you wanting to destroy, what do you want things to look like?
I‘m sorry. Whatever you‘re trying to say is not coming through. What trump is doing is the same all fascists als billionaires have been doing for the last thirty years, just accellerated. They build up walls against comptetition and destruct safeguards against authoritarianism.
What i meant was the system that profits off hard working people and supplies only the rich minority.
The core of my comment wasn’t "say"ing something, it was asking you a question. The system is fucked, yes. How are you proposing to fix it?
There is no fixing currently. We need to take out billionaires funds. They’ve taken over public opinion by corrupting the media and buying governments. They own essential supply lines in a lot of countries.
What we need is immediately turn essentials over to the people. Food, water, electricity, heat, transportation, living. No houses can stay empty while people are homeless. There can not be for profit companies controlling the food supply. Essentials are not for profit. The media also may not be privatized. Either journalist coops or nonprofits.
Okay. All sounds perfect. How? Since they’ve taken over public opinion, a lot of the options are more limited than they would be.
Elect officials who will do it? Violent revolution? Something else? How?
I cant say what will happen when all those points have been followed by a lot of people. Either, the situation will improve or more and more people must be gathered.
The US is in a shitty situation and there is no fast way out. It has been long coming and everyone who could have participated in demonstrations but didnt has to admit fault.
Now there comes the long road to redemption. Buckle up and start marching. The worst thing to do now is nothing or saying it wont work. Thats how we all got here.
Yeah, maybe. The issue is that none of that (except #4) has anything to do with constraining or controlling centralized power. It’s not like it goes away if you’re not looking at it.
IDK, maybe what you’re talking about is just the precursor to setting up the better way, establishing some kind of unification that can fight back once it’s grown enough and be a decent place to live in the meantime. It could make sense.