• Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world
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    5 小时前

    Nobody “lets” someone win an election.

    The party prevents progressives from winning if they can. Every progressive who has won a primary in the past decade or so has done so despite the party putting its thumb on the scale for their opponent.

    Progressives need to earn their votes like everyone else.

    It’s weird seeing a centrist say that votes need to be earned after they lost twice by acting entitled to votes.

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      5 小时前

      Everyone who has ever won a contested primary faced opposition from within their own party.

      Leftists are ones who feel entitled to win an election without any opposition.

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        Everyone who has ever won a contested primary faced opposition from within their own party.

        The opposing candidate, yes. The entire party apparatus, no.

        Leftists are ones who feel entitled to win an election without any opposition.

        “Any opposition” does not mean having to fight the party instead of just your opponent.

        Centrists want to ignore the voters’ concerns and still expect their votes without question. That’s what entitlement looks like.

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          5 小时前

          Party leaders get one vote each, just like everyone else. They can’t stop leftists from voting. So if leftist candidates want to win, they simply need to get more votes than their opponents.

          And if leftists are discouraged by opposition from “the party apparatus”, they are going to be devastated when they find out about the massive electoral advantages of incumbency. Incumbents win >90% of their elections!

          With all their whining about “party apparatus”, frankly I think most leftists don’t have the stomach to take on an incumbent. Which basically means they will never win an election.

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              4 小时前

              Centrists need to get more votes than their opponent. Just like everyone else.

              If a candidate can’t do that, they are not a good candidate. Their excuses are irrelevant.

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                4 小时前

                You’re deliberately ignoring that the party does not run fair primaries, if it runs them at all. Repeat your talking point some more.

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                  4 小时前

                  Politics isn’t fair.

                  But nevertheless, if you can submit your signatures on time, then you can be in the primary. And if you get the most votes, then you will win the primary.

                  If you can’t accomplish those two basic tasks, then you are not a good candidate. Even if you think it’s “unfair”. Step aside so someone better than you can do the job.

                  • Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world
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                    4 小时前

                    Politics isn’t fair.

                    That’s not an excuse for running corrupted primaries. Unless you like the results, which you do. Up to and including losing to trump.

                    It’s clear that you’re happy with a party that doesn’t respect the votes of its members enough to run honest primaries. You’re just gloating about corruption, which is what I’ve come to expect from centrists.