• lennybird@lemmy.world
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    5 小时前

    Well since you voted for Harris, I guess you’re not whom I’m speaking to, now, are you? Why then are you making this about you?

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      5 小时前

      I voted for her. I did not find it easy. Anyone who did find it easy after the genocide support is a fucking psychopath.

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        5 小时前
        • Harris > Trump on Gaza (and the probability of actually effecting future change, notably).
        • Harris > Trump on Women’s Rights.
        • Harris > Trump on LGBTQ+ Rights.
        • Harris > Trump on Immigrants’ Rights.
        • Harris > Trump on Ukrainian Genocide perpetrated by Russia.
        • Harris > Trump on Climate Change. (You realize this will kill more people than Gaza in the long-run, right?)

        Moreover:

        • Did Harris move the embassy to Jerusalem? – NO,
        • Did Harris tell Bibi to, “Finish the Job” like Trump? – NO,
        • Did Trump say that Palestinians deserve self-determination like Harris did? – NO.
        • Did Harris work to undermine the ceasefire agreements ahead of the election like Trump? – NO.
        • Did AIPAC and Bibi think Harris was better for them than Trump? – NO.

        Why was this not easy for you? It was CAKE for me, and I care about Gazans, too. There was no magical fairy-tale alternative candidate; this was a binary election. It seemed quite obvious that Harris resented Bibi and the actions of Palestine — but was between a rock and a hard place.

        This made all the more obvious by Musk dumping over $70 million in ads into Pennsylvania alone, targeting both Jewish and Muslim communities with literally opposite attack messages on Harris. If that doesn’t hint to the dilemma Harris was in in trying to win this election because of the fucked up Electoral College, then I don’t know what to tell you.

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          3 小时前

          Harris second worst therefore genocide support good x11

          Why was this not easy for you?

          Because I’m not the sort of psycho that wants to give genocide support a mandate.

          It seemed quite obvious that Harris resented Bibi and the actions of Palestine

          It did not. At all. At any point.

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            I see you dodged ~99% of my comment and a plethora of serious issues. This should be an introspective warning-sign for your own cognitive dissonance.

            Please then admit that you don’t care about:

            • Climate Change
            • Immigrant’s Rights
            • Women’s Rights
            • LGBTQ+ rights
            • Ukrainian civilian lives

            It did not. At all. At any point.

            Then I’ll just repeat what was deflected so that it is clear now:

            • Did Harris move the embassy to Jerusalem? – NO,
            • Did Harris tell Bibi to, “Finish the Job” like Trump? – NO,
            • Did Trump say that Palestinians deserve self-determination like Harris did? – NO.
            • Did Harris work to undermine the ceasefire agreements ahead of the election like Trump? – NO.
            • Did AIPAC and Bibi think Harris was better for them than Trump? – NO.

            This made all the more obvious by Musk dumping over $70 million in ads into Pennsylvania alone, targeting both Jewish and Muslim communities with literally opposite attack messages on Harris. If that doesn’t hint to the dilemma Harris was in in trying to win this election because of the fucked up Electoral College, then I don’t know what to tell you except to say you are as complicit in the Ukrainian genocide as you claim Harris is with Gaza.

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              I see you dodged ~99% of my comment and a plethora of serious issues. This should be an introspective warning-sign for your own cognitive dissonance.

              Please then admit that you don’t care about:

              Climate Change
              Immigrant’s Rights
              Women’s Rights
              LGBTQ+ rights
              Ukrainian civilian lives
              

              No, I do. It’s why I voted for Harris. Despite how reprehensible I find her unwavering support for genocide.

              Then I’ll just repeat what was deflected so that it is clear now:

              Did Harris move the embassy to Jerusalem? – NO, Did Harris tell Bibi to, “Finish the Job” like Trump? – NO, Did Trump say that Palestinians deserve self-determination like Harris did? – NO. Did Harris work to undermine the ceasefire agreements ahead of the election like Trump? – NO. Did AIPAC and Bibi think Harris was better for them than Trump? – NO.

              So like I said, she was second worst on the issue of genocide. That does not make genocide support conscionable to people for whom it already was unconscionable.

              If that doesn’t hint to the dilemma Harris was in in trying to win this election because of the fucked up Electoral College, then I don’t know what to tell you except to say you are as complicit in the Ukrainian genocide as you claim Harris is with Gaza.

              We should have taken every weapon and ever filthy cent we sent to Netanyahu and instead sent it to Ukraine. And then doubled it.

              Fuck your genocide.

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                Well, this is probably closest we’ll see eye-to-eye on this so I’ll leave it here. Our paths appear to diverge in terms of the political strategy in order to win against the right-wing propaganda machine and ensuring the worst genocider got in power. I don’t think Harris wanted to be associated with Genocide and I don’t think she holds any love for Netanyahu. But hey, I appreciate you voting for Harris and acknowledging that Trump is worse. Those two things are very important to me.

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                  I don’t think Harris wanted to be associated with Genocide and I don’t think she holds any love for Netanyahu.

                  I saw no indicator of anything but mindless devotion.

                  But hey, I appreciate you voting for Harris and acknowledging that Trump is worse.

                  Yes, the Netanyahu wing of the party got my vote.

                  Those two things are very important to me.

                  The compliance of people to your left is more important to you than beating fascism.

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                    2 小时前

                    lol get out.

                    I cared enough to defeat fascism that I didn’t undermine an imperfect alternative candidate that wasn’t my ideal preference in order defeat said fascism. If only more came to the same logical, ethical conclusion.

                    Like you said: Harris was better in every way.