that’s patriarchys fault for instilling into men on a deep cultural level that they need to make money to “provide”
Maybe that’s the case because it’s been the case since bartering started about 100,000 years ago… You’d rather your daughter marry a guy with a lot of stuff, rather than the guy with little stuff. If you think you can “just” change such an ancient system by introducing Feminism, then oh boy, are we even more fucked than I thought…
The only real issue is that Capitalism in the US has gone hogwild and concentrated most wealth down to 3 people. Europe is somewhat doing fine in that regard. Don’t we have superrich people? Yeah, sure, but our bottom line is a LOT healthier. Not as healthy as I wish it to be, but fine-ish for now.
You dont know what feminism is nor what it says about men and capitalism (a lot. Like a fuck ton. Like the entirety of feminist thought is based on male and female liberation and how capitalism enforces patriarchy)
But you havent read any feminist theory. You have a vague idea of what feminism is that you have taken in via osmosis and cultural rhetoric. I can tell you for certain that you do not know what feminism means.
That makes talking about it kinda hard. Not only am I having to explain a complex ideology to you and what it has to say about other complex ideologies but I am having to work through your false consciousness created by those oppressive ideologies. That creates a difference in language that makes talking directly about these topics hard because you think you know what the words I’m saying mean. You have a concept of them in your head. But you are wrong. It’s really hard to get past that.
Have you? Because if you have I bet you’ll actually have some recommendations for me.
PS: Does Max Horkheimer’s “Traditional and Critical Theory” count? Pretty boring book that I stopped reading 80% in.
PPS:
a complex ideology
Bro, Intersectional Feminism isn’t that hard to understand. It’s not that complex. I’m not the one* using Jargon as regular vernacular and then get butthurt when people say that “Reverse Racism isn’t real, it’s just Racism”, because I would be talking about “Racism” as if it means “Systemic Racism”, when outside the context of intersectional feminism it just means “Inter-personal Racism”, but I would not be able to accept that and start calling randos on the internet “racist”.
Again, Intersectional Feminism is not that hard.
*mind you, you’re not doing that, but I’ve seen plenty of online situations where self-proclaimed Feminists use Feminism Jargon while talking to regular Joes - it’s just a dumb strategy, and I don’t understand what their goal is.
Maybe that’s the case because it’s been the case since bartering started about 100,000 years ago… You’d rather your daughter marry a guy with a lot of stuff, rather than the guy with little stuff. If you think you can “just” change such an ancient system by introducing Feminism, then oh boy, are we even more fucked than I thought…
The only real issue is that Capitalism in the US has gone hogwild and concentrated most wealth down to 3 people. Europe is somewhat doing fine in that regard. Don’t we have superrich people? Yeah, sure, but our bottom line is a LOT healthier. Not as healthy as I wish it to be, but fine-ish for now.
You dont know what feminism is nor what it says about men and capitalism (a lot. Like a fuck ton. Like the entirety of feminist thought is based on male and female liberation and how capitalism enforces patriarchy)
But you havent read any feminist theory. You have a vague idea of what feminism is that you have taken in via osmosis and cultural rhetoric. I can tell you for certain that you do not know what feminism means.
That makes talking about it kinda hard. Not only am I having to explain a complex ideology to you and what it has to say about other complex ideologies but I am having to work through your false consciousness created by those oppressive ideologies. That creates a difference in language that makes talking directly about these topics hard because you think you know what the words I’m saying mean. You have a concept of them in your head. But you are wrong. It’s really hard to get past that.
Have you? Because if you have I bet you’ll actually have some recommendations for me.
PS: Does Max Horkheimer’s “Traditional and Critical Theory” count? Pretty boring book that I stopped reading 80% in.
PPS:
Bro, Intersectional Feminism isn’t that hard to understand. It’s not that complex. I’m not the one* using Jargon as regular vernacular and then get butthurt when people say that “Reverse Racism isn’t real, it’s just Racism”, because I would be talking about “Racism” as if it means “Systemic Racism”, when outside the context of intersectional feminism it just means “Inter-personal Racism”, but I would not be able to accept that and start calling randos on the internet “racist”.
Again, Intersectional Feminism is not that hard.
*mind you, you’re not doing that, but I’ve seen plenty of online situations where self-proclaimed Feminists use Feminism Jargon while talking to regular Joes - it’s just a dumb strategy, and I don’t understand what their goal is.
I do not argue with people who come into a conversation in bad faith. There is nothing to be gained, and only time and mental health to be lost.
Basically, I don’t want to talk to you.