- cross-posted to:
- hackernews@lemmy.bestiver.se
- cross-posted to:
- hackernews@lemmy.bestiver.se
“To the Feds, I’ll keep this short, because I do respect what you do for our country. To save you a lengthy investigation, I state plainly that I wasn’t working with anyone. This was fairly trivial: some elementary social engineering, basic CAD, a lot of patience. The spiral notebook, if present, has some straggling notes and To Do lists that illuminate the gist of it. My tech is pretty locked down because I work in engineering so probably not much info there. I do apologize for any strife of traumas but it had to be done. Frankly, these parasites simply had it coming. A reminder: the US has the #1 most expensive healthcare system in the world, yet we rank roughly #42 in life expectancy. United is the [indecipherable] largest company in the US by market cap, behind only Apple, Google, Walmart. It has grown and grown, but as our life expectancy? No the reality is, these [indecipherable] have simply gotten too powerful, and they continue to abuse our country for immense profit because the American public has allwed them to get away with it. Obviously the problem is more complex, but I do not have space, and frankly I do not pretend to be the most qualified person to lay out the full argument. But many have illuminated the corruption and greed (e.g.: Rosenthal, Moore), decades ago and the problems simply remain. It is not an issue of awareness at this point, but clearly power games at play. Evidently I am the first to face it with such brutal honesty.”
Post got removed in .world for not being a “news source” even though Klippenstein is definitely a very established independent journalist, so trying again here I guess.
The problem with Substack, or Medium, or Blogger or any other blog site is that anyone can post anything. It’s not a news platform.
Rather than go through each blog and go “OK, who is THIS guy? What’s their deal?” we just go “Yeah, no.”
Allowing some but not others would be an even BIGGER headache, because then it’s clear Substack is fine for one person but not another.
But like I said, News currently has multiple recent posts from multiple different substack blogs. One of which was posted by FlyingSquid, a moderator of the WorldNews community.
If the blog is private, from a unique URL, and is run by an independent journalist or group of journalists, how is that any more effort than checking any other type of website? I could steal a HTML/CSS template for a news site right now, whip up a site where I post misinformation, and buy a domain for like 10 bucks, and you’d have to go through a lot more effort to verify it as legit than it would take to open the substack blog, click about, and copy the name into your search engine.
If an article is by something like apnews then yeah it doesn’t take much effort to check, but if it’s by some other random page, like a lot of the posted articles are, you’d need to check it at least once before you knew it was fine, so what specifically about substack makes it a problem?
Different communities have different rules, what applies to News may not apply somewhere else.
I get that, but I’m saying on lemmy.world/c/news there is a post by a moderator of another news community on your instance which is from a substack blog (another independent journalist, so I actually like the article being posted, I’m just mentioning it as an example). Obviously the rules differ between communities, but if a very similar community is fine with something, and so is the mod, and so are your mod team since you left it up for almost a day by now, then it seems odd to have that rule at all. And like I mentioned earlier, there is also a post from Ken Klippenstein’s substack that was posted a day ago now, and that one was also fine. I get that moderators can miss things, but this wasn’t a small post, and given it was on a subject you guys have been extremely aggressive (to put it lightly) in moderating, it seems likely that you guys saw it and made a decision that it was fine.
Like I said, I get why random blogs are banned, the point of a news community should be posting factual information from reliable sources. But you need to check each source anyway, at least the first time you see a specific URL, and since this substack page is only by Klippenstein, and has a very recognizable url, it shouldn’t be any more effort to moderate than any other news website. If all substack pages followed the url scheme of blogname.substack.com or something I’d get it more, since then it’s less of an independent page, but that’s not how it works.
You’re talking to a talking point.
He knows he’s full of shit and refuses to take responsibility for anything.
Again, News has their own rules separate from Politics and World News.
Even if Politics and World News allowed Substack, the Klippenstein post would have been removed for it not being politics in one case, and for being internal US news in the other.
And again, that’s very much not what I’m saying. I’m saying that I posted this article in News. It was removed for being an unreliable source. Despite this, the 2 posts I linked are both from substack, and both posted on News. Not another similar community, but lemmy.world/c/news. One of those posts is from Ken Klippenstein, same as this one, and was posted to his substack blog. It’s on a topic you guys have been very heavy handed and aggressive in moderating this past week (not to start an argument about that in this thread, just bringing up the fact that posts and comments about this topic have been under increased scrutiny by the mods). Even so, that post was left up, and this one was removed.
Given that it seems like the News mod team was fine with these other posts from substack, and that kenklippenstein.com is a very unique URL, the same as any other news org would have, the argument that it’s harder to moderate doesn’t make any sense. The only meaningful difference between this substack page and a regular news website is that one is an independent journalist, and they use substack instead of a custom website design.
Either way, any independent journalist needs to be checked by the mods when someone posts an article from them, and given that Klippstein is the only source cited in the gizmodo article about this manifesto, clearly he must be considered a reliable source, since the gizmodo article wasn’t removed.
You’ve got the patience of a saint. jordanlund is obviously purposefully ignoring what you’re saying so that he can argue a completely irrelevant point, because he has no satisfactory answer to your questions.
I can’t speak to what News does or does not do, I’m not a mod there.
I have told you why it’s removable under thr rules for Politics and World, both of which have different rules than News.
That’s the way the communities work.
I did assume you were a News mod by mistake, so sorry about that.
My overall point though is just that News seems to be inconsistently applying a rule which isn’t even really specified anywhere, and it would be nice if it was either clarified as a rule that any substack is banned, or not having substack alone as a grounds for removal, so that in the future anyone who posts an article from a reliable source that happens to use substack can’t just have it and any conversations arbitrarily removed.
He was a News mod, as well as mod of many other .world instances which he now is not, on his profile when I made the original comment that incited this chain of comments.
I checked before posting, so as to actually make an accurate critique.
I did not take a screenshot because I did not think that such a thing would be necessary, but apparently this guy is a reddit/discord tier gaslighter.
That would be something to take up with the News mods, all I can explain is why we don’t allow them in the groups I mod.
News may have similar opinions or they may have their own ideas. I haven’t talked with them about it.
Maybe if someone updated the TOS over there it would all make much more sense.
Removed by mod
I think you’re putting in more effort here than these folks deserve 😂 Regardless of how much I like or dislike the rules of those particular .world communities, I understand them, and I understand why they are the way that they are.
That’s not really my issue though. I don’t care about following the rules, it’s fine my post technically might have broke the current rules, so it got removed because of it, whatever. It’s just weird that substack isn’t actually listed as being banned anywhere, the closest rule is rule 6, but I don’t think that this article should be classified as: “No opinion pieces, Listicles, editorials or celebrity gossip is allowed,” when it’s not any of those. That plus the fact that other substack blogs have been posted as articles with no issue, and that the article which is now up only cites Klippenstein as where they got the info from just feels inconsistent. Like if Klippenstein is considered unreliable, then fine, I’d disagree but it wouldn’t be worth fighting over. But if that was the case then why is the gizmodo article not unreliable, if it’s based on an unreliable source? And if it’s specifically substack that’s an issue, why? And if so why are other substack articles posted there and kept up, including a different article from Klippersteins substack? I really just want it clarified if substack is banned, or klipperstein is banned, or both, or neither, and not have it be entirely up to the judgement of a given mod for a given article whether to enforce it, since that could lead to biased removals.
Bruh. Everyone sees you for who you really are. Stop acting like they don’t.
A mod who enforces the rules… I know, I know, kids hate this one restrictive trick!
Jesus fucking shit bro. Do you see that part of the other posters comment that I helpfully quoted for you?
Go back and read what’s in the quote inset again, then address it. Or you can just keeping playing this coy, smug, shit licking game that literally everyone can see straight through I guess. You’re not clever my dude, you’re a fucking hollow, empty, sad, pathetic person.
Even if world allowed Substack, which it doesn’t, it STILL would have been removed for being internal US news, not world news.
See each community has a thing called a “Sidebar” that explain the rules for the community, you might try actually reading them sometime.
Here, I’ll make it super easy for you:
Still not clear? How about now?
That’s not the community I posted it to, I posted it to News, since I know it’s US specific and I don’t want to flood world news with USA stuff since that’s already way too common online.
You posted this whole fucking thing, got so hot and bothered that you took fucking screenshots and marked them up with “arrows”, and you didn’t even realize that this whole time the OP here said NEWS not WORLD NEWS, you insipid fool.
Between myself and the other person you’ve seen NEWS by itself mentioned like 15 times. The only person that’s ever mentioned WORLD NEWS is yourself. Do you actually consider yourself to be a serious person, because my god man you come across as everything but.
Hmm… I guess I need to use smaller words just for you:
Me not news mod.
Me can speak for Politics and World.
Me can no speak for News.
Me explain mod rules for Politics and World.
News has own rules.
News rules not my rules.
News does their thing, Politics and World do their thing.
Two things not same thing.
News can do things Politics and World don’t.
Politics and world do things News doesn’t.
If that’s not good enough I can see if I can round up a below average 6 year old to explain it to you.
Oh fuck chat guess I’m cooked.
For real though, I’m sorry for whatever’s going (or not going) on in your life that’s led to you behaving like this online.
This entire thread started because I responded to this comment:
"You’re really having this conversation here…
… while simultaneously being part of the mod team that bans this source and topic in all the .world instances you moderate?"
See that bit at the end? ALL THE INSTANCES I MODERATE.
Primarily, that means Politics and World. There are other tiny ones nobody but me and maybe 1 or 2, maybe as many as 5 care about.
You’re the one insisting I address community I DO NOT MODERATE.
So while I can speak authoritatively about what I mod, I can’t speak to News.
Me: Well, here’s why we banned it in Politics and World…
You: HOW DARE YOU NOT TALK ABOUT NEWS!!!
Well, that’s not the question I was asked. I was asked about the ones I moderate.
Here, come back after you have someone explain this to you:
https://ourworldindata.org/data-insights/nearly-half-of-teenagers-globally-cannot-read-with-comprehension