• surewhynotlem@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    1
    ·
    2 days ago

    They’re not. Of course.

    They might be if we got in there, helped out, and then stirred the pot. But right now we’re outside shouting into the wind.

    • nednobbins@lemm.ee
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      1
      ·
      1 day ago

      What would “in” consist of?

      Democrats had both houses and the Oval Office in 2021. The Democrats were as “in” as they can reasonably expect to get unless we want to go back to 2011 when the Democrats had all that and a supermajority.

      What was stopping him from doing something now? Who forced him to send more arms to Israel?

      And how is the Democrats ability to do the right thing inhibited in any way by people complaining about a CEO supporting genocide?

      These arguments sound a lot like when my 10 year old tells me that they’ll stop watching video games and do their homework as soon as I stop nagging them. That’s nonsense. They do their homework when I take the laptop away and tell them they can’t have it back until the homework is done.

      • surewhynotlem@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        1
        ·
        19 hours ago

        Ahhhh, I found the mistake. You’re assuming when I say “we” I mean “Democrats”. No no no.

        We, left leaning folk, need to join the Democratic party, and once WE are in, we change the Democrats to something useful.

        Third parties can’t work. The Republicans are way too far off ideologically. So the only tool we have is Democrats. Let’s use them.

        • nednobbins@lemm.ee
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          1
          ·
          3 hours ago

          What would joining consist of?

          Register as Democrats? Vote whoever they tell you to vote for?

          • surewhynotlem@lemmy.world
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            1
            ·
            29 minutes ago

            Supporting is not joining.

            Join them. Progressives need to run for local office as Dems. Join Dem committees. Canvas for them. Get to know them. Check out “Run For Something” to get involved.

            If you want real change it involves leaving the house and talking to people and being present and available.

            You can also vote in their primaries for progressives, if you prefer the less impactful “support” route. But then you’re just supporting the people who are doing the joining.

            You can’t really complain if there are no progressive or left Dems to support if you as a progressive/left person aren’t joining either.