• pjwestin@lemmy.world
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    3 hours ago

    This isn’t reality, this is contradictory nonsense based on vibes. Saying Musk Super PAC must have been effective because Trump won is like saying Trump’s golden sneakers must have been effective because Trump won. And by this exact logic, spending more must not have been effective, because Trump spent less and he won.

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      3 hours ago

      Super PACs supply funding for campaigns. Is that not reality?

      Funding for a campaign = more resources for the campaign to accomplish more. Is that not reality?

      Campaigning is done to increase votes for a candidate. Is that not reality?

      Spending more doesn’t guarantee a win because not everything a campaign does to increase votes is equally effective or equal in cost. Is that not reality?

      But spending less means less resources for the campaign which limits what the campaign is capable of. Is that not reality?

      Trump selling sneakers was for his personal gain and unrelated to campaign funding.

      I don’t know why any of that needs to be explained.

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        2 hours ago

        What are you not getting here? HARRIS HAD MORE MONEY. HARRIS SPENT MORE MONEY. HARRIS LOST.

        Harris campaign took in HALF A BILLION MORE THAN TRUMP in direct contributions. In terms of dark money, her Super PAC, Future Forward USA, took in $423 million while Trump’s PAC, Maga America Great Again Inc., took in $280 million. Even if you look at all the Super PAC money spent on the presidential race in 2024,
        $889 million was spent on pro-Harris/anti-Trump messaging, while only $834 million was spent on pro-Trump/anti-Harris messaging. Any way you slice it, the money was on Harris’ side, not Trump’s.

        You’ve got a narrative in your head that the billionaires all teamed up and used their money to defeat Harris, but it’s based on nothing but your feelings and assumptions, not reality. And remember, you’re the one who started off claiming that if Bernie couldn’t beat the DNC conspiring against him, he couldn’t beat billionaires and their Super PAC money. But now you’re the one who won’t accept that the money was on Harris’ side this election and she fucking lost.

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          1 hour ago

          What are you not getting?

          Spending more doesn’t guarantee a win because not everything a campaign does to increase votes is equally effective or equal in cost. Is that not reality?

          But spending less means less resources for the campaign which limits what the campaign is capable of. Is that not reality?

          Bernie can’t compete with only grassroots donations. You’re feelings and opinions won’t change that.

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            57 minutes ago

            Bernie can’t compete with only grassroots donations.

            Literally all of the data I shared says the fucking opposite, dude! On top of that, Trump was running a grassroots campaign in 2016 that broke GOP records for small-donor money, and he won even though Clinton out-spent him. So, what actual evidence do you have to back up your assertions here? Or is it just the vibes?

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              13 minutes ago

              Literally none of the data you shared says the opposite.

              You shared an opinion piece about Bloomberg and a chart of Super PAC spending.

              Literally none of the data you shared says the opposite.

              On top of that, Trump was running a grassroots campaign in 2016 that broke GOP records for small-donor money, and he won even though Clinton out-spent him.

              Fact Sheet: What We Know about Russia’s Interference Operations

              You’re gonna pretend Trump is running a grassroots campaign without Russian backing?