• Carrolade@lemmy.world
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    4 hours ago

    Downvote and no response to my provided numbers, huh? We’re supposed to be the fact-oriented people, we care about reality, about evidence. Even when its hard, even when it doesn’t conform to our beliefs that try to explain the world in simple and emotionally convenient ways.

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        3 hours ago

        It’s not entertainment, this is people’s real lives and the impacts politicians have on them. It’s your unsupported theories running headfirst into hard numbers. If you have numbers to prove me wrong, go ahead and share. But you don’t, do you? Just unsupported online conspiracy theory from your echo chambers.

        I’ve been a progressive for decades, we’re on the same side, you and I. I just don’t hide behind comforting illusions.

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          3 hours ago

          I’m not required to reply to you in what you consider to be a timely manner. Demand entertainment from someone else.

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            3 hours ago

            You were really going to actually try to defend that position? Progressivism relies on the truth. If we don’t have the truth, the facts, we have nothing. We become just like the far right, following a blind faith. That won’t work though, because we’re the educated ones that employ critical thinking. Too many of us check the actual numbers behind the narratives people try to spin.

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              3 hours ago

              I’m not going to reward your entitled demands. Declare victory if you want. I’m not playing your stupid games.

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                3 hours ago

                The truth is not games. Politics is not a game. This is not funsies, it’s people’s lives.

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                  3 hours ago

                  There. You’ve declared victory and I’m free. Bother someone else with your entitlement.

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                    3 hours ago

                    I haven’t declared anything. I’ve issued a challenge to be factual. To be evidence-based. To look at and use real data instead of cozy stories.