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    10 hours ago

    Well now you got what you wanted: the hero to end the genocide. Any minute now they’ll stop the war effort, for fear of further angering the fuhrer

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      This toxic abusive browbeating is what just handed the election to Trump.

      You shouldn’t be arguing with them, considering you just lost us and election.

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        8 hours ago

        Yes I recognize you as one of the top Democratic vote discouragers. Thank you for that. I mean er yeah it was my fault you repeat Russian propaganda

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            Yes I was spreading the message not to vote for her like you. Thanks for your help comrade

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              No one said not to vote for her. But your abusive toxicity has been on display for months, years. YOU drive voters away. You making excuses for the candidates shitty positions instead of demanding better from them, left the candidate in a weak electoral position.

              If I scratch your comment history, will I find you effectively defending her position on Israel? Will I find you defending her step to the right to campaign with Cheney and celebrate Republicans?

              You needed to fucking listen to your betters who understand this world more than the assumptions you want to make about it

              Your arrogance and hubris have damned us all.

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                That must be why Trump won huh? Because of all the dissent and “demanding better from him” that he got from his supporters.

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                  Are you allergic to trying to understand why you were wrong and why Harris lost?

                  Its not about Trump. It’s about Harris. You aren’t arguing with me. You are arguing with 15 million people who didn’t think she represented enough of a change from the status quo to show up.

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                I’m voting for the fat demented guy because some internet trolls mad me mad once.

                Is that peak american democracy?

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                Nah. It was you and yours who couldn’t do the math and realize that a united front was the only path away from fascism. Now we’re all stuck with it.

                Also:

                You needed to fucking listen to your betters who understand this world more than the assumptions you want to make about it

                Your arrogance and hubris have damned us all.

                Astounding self-awareness on display.

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      Well i guess the 130ish Million people who voted for more genocide got what they wanted.

      And we warned this would happen.

      Because the pro Israel people had a safe vote with Trump. Harris trying not to take a strong stance, while further enabling the genocide tough, alienated people.

      Now the silver lining is that Democrats have a chance to learn, that being against genocide is the only stance a supposedly progressive party can take. But they rather risked and chose to loose the election instead of being steadfast against genocide.

      But you can already see here how people are blaming black and Arab voters. The white supremacy runs deep in both parties, so the idea that anything would have changed under Harris is laughable.

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        Maybe something would change under Harris. Maybe not.

        But it is absolutely certain that it won’t change under Trump.

        I am old enough and have gone through so many “vote for lesser of two evils” elections to be able to tell you that not voting for lesser of two evils is wrong. I myself skipped voting few times because I hated both sides. But absolutely every fucking time the worse person winning was a much, much worse outcome.

        Everyone’s main enemy are billionaires. They have spent considerable resources making sure people vote for Trump.

        And here we are, people whining how Harris didn’t make a promise to go after billionaires while at the same time enabling those same billionaires to do as they please, through Trump.

        200 IQ move, indeed.

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          Not voting is absolutely the wrong move. It signals complacency.

          Voting third party shows that people care enough, but aren’t willing to give power under the current policies/proposed policies. This is also why ranked choice is vastly superior to first past the post. It allows for a more coherent signaling from the people into politics.

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            We didn’t have the luxury of not being held hostage by FPTP, WTA, and the absence of a viable “good” choice.

            Yet we still couldn’t unite against fascism.

            And now it’s here, delivered right to our doorsteps, no signature required.

            There’s a more than reasonable chance that any perceived “education” of the dems has become completely moot. The fascists have full control of the government. The checks and balances no longer apply. There are no brakes.

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        The Democrats having the chance to learn is going to be of limited use of Republicans build the fascist autocracy they intend to build.

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          Either you elect a party that wants to do that, or every time elect the other party that is not very democratic inside itself, despite the name. Both seem like autocracy to me.

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          Unfortunately they chose not to learn during the past 8 years.

          They repeated most of the errors they did in 2016, while Trump just did Trump again. That is also why i say the blame lies with the party leaders. This was preventable with setting the right priorities.

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              • Unsympathetic candidate from the depths of the establishment.
              • Focusing on virtue signaling “how can you not want a women? And now she is asian and black too!” instead of real life improvements for the affected demographics. Especially after 8 years of Obama have shown that a black president doesn’t mean much in that regard.
              • Focusing on who they are not, instead of focusing who they are.
              • Not opening up for a full primary, instead pushing the establishment candidate through.
              • Not addressing peoples economic concerns and offering a progressive solution for that, instead sucking up to the billionaire donors
              • Having a candidate that is currently involved in a war/genocide or advocating for more of it (Hillary)
              • Establishing a culture of looking down on “stupid” or “backwards” rural and rust belt voters
              • Sending contradictory in or mixed messages on various issues, depending on who they address/what the latest poll said to be important
              • Sending a message of a sure election in their bubbles, demotivating some of their usual voters.
              • Focusing on endorsements by high profile celebrities, further giving the image of a party of elites, rather than for the normal people.

              Those were the bunch that came to my mind and what i remember seeing in various election streams.

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                You’re getting down votes because the truth hurts. People in the echo chamber don’t want to hear anything except “Trump bad”.

                To sum up your comment succinctly it can simply be said that the democratic party failed to relate with and engage the electorate, something that Trump did successfully.

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        10 hours ago

        Shove the third party shit, no one gives a fuck about your favorite Russian asset Jill Stein.

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          “Harris could have won, if she took a clear anti-genocide stance”

          “RuSSIAN ASSETTTSESETSE!!!”

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            Yeah what the fuck ever. You must be gleeful right now. You got exactly what you wanted