Bro, you’re using way too many words to say that you benefit from the status quo and don’t want to change things too much because you’re afraid that it might impact your personal comfort. You want to move incrementally into a planned economy just in case, and I get that. I understand where that fear comes from. But the time for incremental change was 50 years ago, the current climate crisis demands we change now or face extinction.
I understand that socialism and planned economies don’t fix issues of racial and ethnic hate. It’s the responsibility of socialists and other leftists to have a healthy dose of intersectionality when talking about creating political systems, because discussing how to make sure minorities aren’t negatively impacted is essential to the system succeeding.
I’m actually kinda offended by your suggestion that “we should try something else when creating a socialist society to ensure minorities are heard” is equivalent to an ethnostate. Actually what the fuck. That’s a disgusting comparison and I don’t understand at all how you decided they were equivalent.
There is stopping something from creating socialism in the status quo, and it’s called capitalism. Capitalism has, does, and will continue to fight anything that challenges the status quo. The ideal for capitalists is to recreate a feudal society, child labor and all. You talk about instability within former socialist nations, but never draw the line towards the endless attacks placed on those countries by the imperial core. Most recent example? Zunzuneo, an astroturf social media site created by USAID as a CIA front to destablize Cuba. There’s also the 1990 US Appropriations Act, which caused Yugoslavia to collapse into reactionary ethnic hate that resulted in the Bosnian genocide. You point to failures of socialism as if it’s a fundamental flaw, but never examine the reasons for why those nations failed. If you did, you’d see attacks from the imperial core as well as mistakes from the local government being the point of failure, not socialism.
I am against it because people die. Full stop. Your insistence on radical change as a requirement to dramatic action is one of the main issues behind why we cannot actually move forward. You are not the only player at fault, but you are partially complicit.
You cannot eliminate prejudice. To knowingly give a system more centralized power is to enable it to be susceptible to it. It is negligent at best. This is why most theorists are anarchists. They are against centralized power structures. My issue with them is that so was every communist system so far. Every single one tries to decentralize power or promises to. When they do, the systems fail and they centralize again very quickly.
You should be offended. It is an offensive thing. The fact that you can recognize that should make a connection to you about suggesting we just try something. How do we know that fascism won’t help society? Well, it is right there in the proposed structure. It is designed to be oppressive. It is the same when you take economic power away from minorities. It is designed to be oppressive by its structure. Capitalism would be perfect too if everyone acted in everyone else’s best interests and weren’t racist. As it stands we need multiple levels of power to account for externalities.
There is literally nothing stopping you from going and setting up a commune in the West. Just don’t expect people to donate resources to you. Go ahead and try to set up a private company in a centrally planned economy. That is the difference and why it is oppressive by its design. It literally requires capitalism to not exist in order to force everyone into your perfect society. A liberal society is fundamentally incompatible with true socialism and it takes all of our other liberties with them.
Your examples are far from intellectually honest when put in context with what our adversaries do and have done to undermine free societies. I do find it actually pretty funny the lengths of which you twist events to pin the Bosnean genocide on the West though. Way to twist a conflict born out of minorities being oppressed by the majority in a socialist system into something useful to blame capitalism for. Is any of this connecting for you?
Sucks to suck. Sorry your ideas are structurally racist. You should probably address that. It’s broken up more socialist systems than you’ll admit. (Almost all of them)
Bro, you’re using way too many words to say that you benefit from the status quo and don’t want to change things too much because you’re afraid that it might impact your personal comfort. You want to move incrementally into a planned economy just in case, and I get that. I understand where that fear comes from. But the time for incremental change was 50 years ago, the current climate crisis demands we change now or face extinction.
I understand that socialism and planned economies don’t fix issues of racial and ethnic hate. It’s the responsibility of socialists and other leftists to have a healthy dose of intersectionality when talking about creating political systems, because discussing how to make sure minorities aren’t negatively impacted is essential to the system succeeding.
I’m actually kinda offended by your suggestion that “we should try something else when creating a socialist society to ensure minorities are heard” is equivalent to an ethnostate. Actually what the fuck. That’s a disgusting comparison and I don’t understand at all how you decided they were equivalent.
There is stopping something from creating socialism in the status quo, and it’s called capitalism. Capitalism has, does, and will continue to fight anything that challenges the status quo. The ideal for capitalists is to recreate a feudal society, child labor and all. You talk about instability within former socialist nations, but never draw the line towards the endless attacks placed on those countries by the imperial core. Most recent example? Zunzuneo, an astroturf social media site created by USAID as a CIA front to destablize Cuba. There’s also the 1990 US Appropriations Act, which caused Yugoslavia to collapse into reactionary ethnic hate that resulted in the Bosnian genocide. You point to failures of socialism as if it’s a fundamental flaw, but never examine the reasons for why those nations failed. If you did, you’d see attacks from the imperial core as well as mistakes from the local government being the point of failure, not socialism.
I am against it because people die. Full stop. Your insistence on radical change as a requirement to dramatic action is one of the main issues behind why we cannot actually move forward. You are not the only player at fault, but you are partially complicit.
You cannot eliminate prejudice. To knowingly give a system more centralized power is to enable it to be susceptible to it. It is negligent at best. This is why most theorists are anarchists. They are against centralized power structures. My issue with them is that so was every communist system so far. Every single one tries to decentralize power or promises to. When they do, the systems fail and they centralize again very quickly.
You should be offended. It is an offensive thing. The fact that you can recognize that should make a connection to you about suggesting we just try something. How do we know that fascism won’t help society? Well, it is right there in the proposed structure. It is designed to be oppressive. It is the same when you take economic power away from minorities. It is designed to be oppressive by its structure. Capitalism would be perfect too if everyone acted in everyone else’s best interests and weren’t racist. As it stands we need multiple levels of power to account for externalities.
There is literally nothing stopping you from going and setting up a commune in the West. Just don’t expect people to donate resources to you. Go ahead and try to set up a private company in a centrally planned economy. That is the difference and why it is oppressive by its design. It literally requires capitalism to not exist in order to force everyone into your perfect society. A liberal society is fundamentally incompatible with true socialism and it takes all of our other liberties with them.
Your examples are far from intellectually honest when put in context with what our adversaries do and have done to undermine free societies. I do find it actually pretty funny the lengths of which you twist events to pin the Bosnean genocide on the West though. Way to twist a conflict born out of minorities being oppressed by the majority in a socialist system into something useful to blame capitalism for. Is any of this connecting for you?
I’m not going to continue talking with anyone unironically comparing socialism to fascist ethnostates. Good bye.
Sucks to suck. Sorry your ideas are structurally racist. You should probably address that. It’s broken up more socialist systems than you’ll admit. (Almost all of them)