“To those people who are saying, ‘Well, I can’t support Harris because she disagrees [with] Trump on that issue’ … he will be closer to Netanyahu,” Sanders said on CNN’s “State of the Union.”
Sanders said he thinks Vice President Harris can be moved “on that issue” of the Israel-Hamas war.
Harris has called for a cease-fire deal and pushed for the war in Gaza to end, but she faces scrutiny from both sides — from people who want to see Hamas defeated and those who call for the end of the war in Gaza.
“So, if we are able to elect Harris, I think we’re going to have an opportunity to move her on that issue, to make it clear, we cannot allow children in Gaza to starve to death,” Sanders said. “She will be open to that. I doubt that Trump will.”
They are the reason for Trump’s assassination attempts. Now, he calls for all muslim extremists to assassinate Trump.
closer is an understatement
I mean Trump just literally said the Netanyahu needs to do whatever he needs to do.
In before we get lectured about how this old white Jew is really BlueMAGA…
Or how Harris and Trump are BoTh ThE sAmE!!1! because Harris hasn’t screamed from the rooftops that what’s happening in Gaza is horrible.
because Harris hasn’t screamed from the rooftops that what’s happening in Gaza is horrible.
On the other hand, why hasn’t she?
AIPAC has shown that they will absolutely throw an election against anyone who condemns the genocide. If she does the right thing, AIPAC will put their full weight behind Donald “Biden is holding Netanyahu back” Trump
AIPAC
We’ll see how she reacts after the election.
I mean AIPAC isn’t going anywhere after she gets elected. The most we’re going to hear are some more terse words. Israel and Russia are both fighting for control of this country, and whoever makes it to the president’s spot isn’t going to change that anytime soon.
We have a pretty serious fight in this country too not support Israel in this war.
AIPAC
A lobbying organization that represents the interests of a foreign apartheid state should not enjoy so much influence.
We’ll see how she reacts after the election.
I’m worried that Democrats will interpret it as a mandate to maintain course regarding Gaza.
I’m worried so too, but the domestic stakes are too high this late in the game to worry about much else.
With Trump they can just bribe him directly since real elections will no longer be necessary.
I wonder if anyone told Joe Biden this?
If he talks like BlueMAGA, he must be BlueMAGA
Wanna tell that to these Palestinians? It is patronizing colonialism to suggest you know better than they do.
you have to hand it to the “vote 3rd party” tryhards: they never shut the fuck up with their stupid bullshit
Paycheck ends in 10 days finish strong!
they never shut the fuck up
Just wait til the day after the election thru the following 3.5 years
You can’t blame em for wanting better and the third choice is a tantalizing offer, but I feel it’s not pragmatic to their goals and neglects to recognize the fascist threats of Donald Trump and the RNC.
You can’t blame em for wanting better
Blaming people for wanting better is basically what lemmy is for.
Let’s ignore that fascism coming from within so we can focus on the other fascism.
Is it so strange to think that a Trump win would have worse outcomes than a Harris win?
Is it so strange to think that a Trump win would have worse outcomes than a Harris win?
Is it so reprehensible to be dissatisfied with “not as bad as trump”?
Absolutely not. There should be better options for Americans, ones that even give a shit about a majority of Americans.
Hell. That’s literally what my comment at the start of this chain says
It’s the same damn result. They only answer to the donor class
Your second sentence does not imply your first, and if you pay any attention you’ll see significant differences. My LGBTQ+ friends and family, for example, will not have the same experience under each party. Nor will women or Black people. Nor will schoolteachers or schoolkids, or anyone depending on all kinds of public services.
Yes, both parties are corporatist, capitalist, and pay more attention to the rich. But only one is preparing a fascist theocracy and promising revenge on everyone who doesn’t match their narrow template for an acceptable human being. To say both parties are the same reveals a certain ignorance and perhaps the privilege not to be affected directly by the differences.
You can only speak in 3rd person about LGBTQ issues, I can speak in 1st hand. I’ve seen time and again for decades that dems have betrayed my community while demanding our unquestioning support. Harris throwing trans under the bus last week is a prime example
I think that’s an incredibly myopic outlook and while Harris isn’t going to single handedly fix the myriad of issues that America both faces at home and brings to the globe, it’s hyperbolic to pretend that the outcomes will be 100% identical should Trump win versus Harris.
I doubt the outcome for Palestine will change much, but Palestine isn’t the only thing the president can affect.
Less myopic and more privileged. Glad theyre in such a position to feel smugly while others suffer.
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While you advocate for the people keeping them marginalized
Enjoy your new openly fascist right wing party.
The difference is Trump is a certifiably out of his mind, outspoken racist and litteraly said he will become dictator and eliminate voting if he wins. The end of what is left of democracy and western civilization.
The similarities are, they are both fascist, both gave their undying allegiance to Isreal, both answer to the donor class.
Vote Harris. It’s not deserved, but it’s the only option, considering the insane freak show that is the alternative.
Let’s expedite the fascism coming from within so there are no brakes on fascism elsewhere…
He is right. Trump will do whatever the evangelical hard right want, which in the case of the Middle East is to pump as much support, weapons, and money into Israel, purely so they can trigger Armageddon and try to fulfill their wet dreams of Supply-Side Jesus coming down off his cloud. Also doesn’t help that trump is a flagrant racist who would be happy to see more ‘brown-skinned’ people die.
I always feel better when Bernie comes out and drops these truth bombs. He is an absolute national treasure, very presidential
We will kill them slowly vs we will kill them faster.
For a year now instead of escalation, the democrats allow Israel to commit a genocide in Gaza, continue genocide in west bank, attack Lebanon, attack Iran, attack Yemen.
All three ask for is “ stop genocide in Gaza “
Slow death is far more preferably then it isn’t incurable and terminal. It creates an opportunity to stop the death. A peace agreement a year from now under Harris means way more people are still alive than if it’s under Trump.
That’s all that should matter. Slowing it gives time for intervention and for an opposition coalition to grow. This conflict has been going on for decades. Do you really believe things would be better if Israel just killed everyone 20 years ago? Do you believe things will be better if Israel kills everyone now, versus this conflict still existing in 20 years?
Consider to what actual Palestinians in Gaza are saying. They have a clear preference for Harris over Trump.
Seems like one choice is clearly better. Sure things aren’t perfect but the decision should be clear.
It’s absolutely wild to me that people act like there is some magically viable third option at this point.
Trump is not going to support peace. He will go all in on full genocide or apartheid.
So, Biden without the lip service?
Good on Sanders. It feels like he always has to be dragged kicking and screaming to support the party (and likely would be even more influential if he just played the game) but he is a voice that people might listen to.
That said: It is important to remember that the majority of the “No, I want support genocide LA LA LA LA LA LA LA” crowd either listen to or are tankies that are, at best, useful idiots for putin et al. They don’t care about Palestine and they sure as hell don’t care about anyone else that trump et al will genocide if elected.
They don’t care about Palestine.
Way to gaslight people because they’re disagree with you.
Perhaps they should listen to what Palestinians want them to do.
- I don’t think you know what the word “gaslight(ing)” means
- If people actually cared about the Palestinians they would advocate for harm reduction and any hope for them rather than all but guaranteeing their eradication under trump. It is a very slim chance but there is hope that the Kamala administration will at least give israel fewer bombs or demand they be used for things that benefit US interests (like attacking iran) rather than cheering on the genocide.
But, to elaborate, the Palestinians have a long history of mostly beiing a political tool. In the past, when there were chances to evacuate them as refugees, the majority of neighboring countries actively refused (ironically citing fears of Hamas led insurrections). But when it is a way to bleed resources out of israel they suddenly are all humanitarians.
And considering how many prominent mouthpieces are, at best, useful idiots for the tankies? It is hard to believe that suddenly, after everyone discovered Palestine existed on October 8th, that is truly the greatest issue facing the planet (especially when other active genocides are still ignored).
It is a very slim chance but there is hope that the Kamala administration will at least give israel fewer bombs or demand they be used for things that benefit US interests (like attacking iran) rather than cheering on the genocide.
If there’s only a very slim hope, then might as well let the Democrats lose so they at least have to posture.
In the past, when there were chances to evacuate them as refugees, the majority of neighboring countries actively refused (ironically citing fears of Hamas led insurrections).
Middle Eastern countries notoriously don’t represent their people, being dictatorships and all that.
But when it is a way to bleed resources out of israel they suddenly are all humanitarians.
Who are “they”?
It is hard to believe that suddenly, after everyone discovered Palestine existed on October 8th, that is truly the greatest issue facing the planet (especially when other active genocides are still ignored).
Many people only learned how bad things are in Palestine because of Israel’s genocide in Gaza. What’s so strange about that? Also the West is not actively intervening in those other genocides, which might not be palatable to some people but it’s much better than actively bankrolling one. Again, what’s the problem with not wanting to bankroll a genocide and increase the chance of being caught in another war in the Middle East? Also, have you not considered that many people (a quarter of either all Americans or Democrats, not sure which but you can find the numbers online) opposed Israel’s Apartheid regime but couldn’t speak out for fear of being labeled antisemites? Also why are you conveniently ignoring the existence of Arab and Muslim Americans who are personally invested in seeing Israel’s genocide stop?
I don’t think you know what the word “gaslight(ing)” means
“No you don’t care about Palestine tankie/useful idiot/right wing bot/whatever” is, in fact, gaslighting.
1000% True.
If I was in a swing state then I would vote for Harris to prevent Trump from getting in, but I’m not in a swing state so I’m going to vote for a candidate that I actually like.
Since my state (California) would never turn red, the best thing I can do in my vote is to help my actual preferred candidate get access to campaign funds.
But again, I do think those in swing states should do whatever they can to prevent Trump from getting in.
He’s as delusional as the rest of BlueMAGA. He’s being the good little sheepdog he’s always been.
LOL blueMAGA. The most ridiculous attack I have seen in a while. It is like saying Palestinians are blueIDF.
BlueIDF seems like a more fitting moniker for the centrist wing of the Democratic party than BlueMAGA does.
Sanders said he thinks Vice President Harris can be moved “on that issue” of the Israel-Hamas war.
I’ve always admired Sanders’ optimism, even when I don’t share it.
Well he better get fucking moving he’s only got a couple days left.
He’s sheep dogging again. He knows she can’t be moved, if she could it would have moved by now.
Oh, look. We have the equivalent of Trump’s RINO accusations on the socialist side.
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