• JaggedRobotPubes@lemmy.world
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    1 month ago

    Oh.

    My minded automatically corrected that as “doubling from 15 to 30”. Because that’s what it needs to be, at least.

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      1 month ago

      What’s the basis for $30/hr? First time seeing that number in the wild.

      Y’all really making this Reddit with less content. ¯⁠\⁠_⁠(⁠ツ⁠)⁠_⁠/⁠¯

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        Because we’ve been arguing it should be at least 15 for 10 years, and inflation is a bitch and if federal minimum wage had tracked with inflation since it was implemented, it would be closer to 30 bucks an hour than to 15.

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          And it should be all at once. The instant it’s passed, $30/hr. None of us got eased into it when gas prices and grocery prices and rent and health insurance went up.

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          I understand your sentiment, but if that’s your policy basis, you’d be asking for $10/hr instead of $15.

          Not necessarily a bad idea, I just wanted to know how that number was generated, because without that data, it’s not necessarily a good idea either.

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              If you read the comments, it’s actually not. Inflation alone doesn’t account for pinning wages near $30, so that’s not really a good explanation given that it’s nonfactual. Even if he’s considering the living wage instead of historical minimums, $30 is still about 30% higher than what an average living wage would be. Is there some other consideration he has that I’m missing? I wouldn’t know without asking due to an unfortunate lack of psychic powers.

              Anyways, sorry I asked for the policy reasoning behind a policy position. It clearly offended many, I realize my mistake, and won’t bring that kind of nonsense around here again.

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        I think the common sentiment is that minimum wage should be rated annually tied to a major factor on how much spending power that money has like inflation or productivity.

        Minimum wage started in 1938 at $0.25. if it kept up with inflation today that would be $5.59, which is far from enough to survive with even the most basic rent and groceries.

        “”" The dollar had an average inflation rate of 3.68% per year between 1938 and today, producing a cumulative price increase of 2,136.18%.“”"

        https://www.in2013dollars.com/us/inflation/1938?amount=0.25

        Productivity however has decoupled from wages decades ago, here’s the EPI graph most reference:

        If we re-coupled those values for minimum wage today that would be much higher. 3 years ago CBS reported it would be about $26: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/minimum-wage-26-dollars-economy-productivity/

        Where did that money go instead of paying fair wages?

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          Nice breakdown. And I agree that the better solution would be to figure out which metric to tie minimum wage to. I don’t really think throwing out a number every few years like the original reply I was responding to suggested is helpful. But it seems wildly popular here.

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        I’m seeing 21.50 from articles in 2020 tying min wage to productivity. Maybe that’s the number basis? Or living wage? A living wage per state adjustment for one adult with one child seems to put lw around 30 in a lot of states, with the single adult needing 13-20.

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          All good possible points, but only one person in this thread can answer what the number basis is, so who knows.