We’ve all heard stories of the dangers of 3D printing, with fires from runaway hot ends or dodgy heated build plates being the main hazards. But what about the particulates? Can they actually…
  • Schorsch@feddit.orgEnglish
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    2 months ago

    What they’re saying is basically: We have no clue if 3D-printing can cause cancer, but better be careful.

    Yeah, I didn’t know that before.

    • WoahWoah@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      2 months ago

      This study looks at how particles released from 3D printers (specifically using ABS and PLA filaments) can damage cells and potentially lead to cancer. They found changes in gene expression linked to cancer development, but they can’t definitively say 3D printing causes cancer yet.

      If you read the full study, though, it’s clear that exposure to these particles affects cells in ways that suggest further research is needed to figure out just how dangerous it is, not if it’s dangerous. The study avoids outright claiming that 3D printing causes cancer because it was mainly designed to assess cellular responses to particulate exposure, not long-term cancer outcomes.

      They did see cellular changes linked to cancer pathways, but the study’s design didn’t allow them to draw that direct conclusion. A follow-up study focused on these gene expression changes and long-term effects is likely to show a clearer link between 3D printing exposure and cancer development.

      That being said, this isn’t the only study. For instance, particles emitted during 3D printing—especially ultrafine nanoparticles—have been shown to cause cellular damage, oxidative stress, DNA breaks, and inflammation, all of which are early indicators for cancer development. In one study, exposure to ABS fumes led to a 49.5% decline in cell viability, pointing to high toxicity levels.

      Other research has suggested that people exposed to 3D printer emissions have a cancer risk 3.44 times higher than those exposed to typical urban pollution. To be blunt, it’s pretty well established that the particles emitted from 3D printing processes are biologically active and harmful. I think that most people engaged with the hobby probably know that intuitively, which seems borne out by the tenor of many of the comments here.

      It’s dangerous, and it’s likely shortening your lifespan in the long term. You might not care now, but if you get cancer in a decade or two, I imagine future you will feel differently. “Do you” and all that, but I’m amazed by the amount of people 3D printing without air filtration and vent hoods. The fact that some people do this in the open air in their living spaces is mind boggling to me.

    • gerdesj@lemmy.mlEnglish
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      2 months ago

      It’s complicated but PLA is bio-degradable … eventually. Not months but years. That’s much better than the horrors you see on Blue Planet II.

      • piccolo@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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        2 months ago

        PLA requires industrial high heat composting to breakdown. Otherwise it will be around as long as any other type of plastic.

        • prenatal_confusion@feddit.orgEnglish
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          2 months ago

          Is this true also for microplastics? I am aware of the marketing claims and the helpfull oversight of the needed bioreactor but i thought that was in part due tl the larger pieces. Wondering about micro

          • nilloc@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
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            2 months ago

            I’m not sure how much sooner it degrades, but the study still suggests that it causes cellular damage before it’s able to degrade.

  • SomeAmateur@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
    131·
    2 months ago

    I don’t have a 3D printer but if I did I would try to keep it in a basement or garage, or at least keep a window open

    • notfromhere@lemmy.mlEnglish
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      2 months ago

      Uneven airflow results in bad prints. Better to set up a ventilator hood that exhausts outside.

      • fuckwit_mcbumcrumble@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
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        2 months ago

        Plus humidity is bad for your filament.

        I just don’t go into the room with my 3d printer outside of checking on it, and then I usually forget that my print is done for like an hour so the smell (and hopefully cancer) is long gone.

        • gerdesj@lemmy.mlEnglish
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          2 months ago

          Plus humidity is bad for your filament.

          I keep on hearing this but it does not check out for me.

          I have a Prusa 3S+, self assembled. I do not do a great deal of printing and go through phases. I did a flurry of prints during the pandemic and then it rested idle in our rather cold and slightly damp study for a couple of years. When I bought it, it came with a spool of silver Prusament which worked nicely. I then bought a spool of “Sunlu” filament (Chinese firm off of Amazon) and then a box of 10 colours of the stuff.

          I recently got the printer out and updated the firmware, re-calibrated it and so on. I’ve done several prints with filament that has been open to the environment for at least two or three years and its fine. I have done a print using some transparent filament which was unopened and that was fine too. The unopened stuff was vacuum shrunk wrapped so could not possibly be damp. The opened filament was stored in the original cardboard box in a slightly damp and unheated room.

          For me the main issues for a decent print are:

          • Adhesion on the plate. I actually used glue for a print for the first time recently
          • First layer calibration. If the first layer is wrong, the rest is wrong. You need to get the right amount of “squashing” to get a smooth bottom
          • Always clean the plate between prints - a squirt of EPA and a decent rub with tissue whilst the bed is heating up does the job
          • Keep the guide rails lubricated - Mine whined that all three axes were too tight or just wrong and yet the Prusa app to check belt tightness and forum and wiki advice said it was fine. Any engineer will tell you to lube up when in doubt - do it! X, Y and Z.

          I will try repeating a challenging print with filament that is way older now and see what happens. I printed a couple of tank models in red around four years ago. Both involved their turrets with the barrel facing upwards - that’s a lumpy cylinder about 4cm long and 2mm wide.

          I have seen some notes about PLA being hydrophylic (absorbs water) on the Prusa website’s official advice but I don’t personally think it is an issue and people are probably missing another factor or factors that is fucking up their prints. I think the filament dampness meme is “cargo culting”.

          PLA is heated to around 220C whilst being extruded so any water will steam off very quickly as water vapour - which is not even “wet”, well before worrying a print job.

          PLA is touted as bio-degradable and it is … eventually. It is extremely stable, despite being derived from corn starch. It really doesn’t seem to care about a bit of water hanging around. That’s why I can print new hinges for a plastic garden storage thing to replace the original ones and they last through winters and summers in the UK.

          So, if you think moisture is an issue for PLA filament used for 3D printing, why not do some experiments and then decide for yourself.

          I’m happy to be proved wrong.

          • fuckwit_mcbumcrumble@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
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            2 months ago

            PLA is heated to around 220C whilst being extruded so any water will steam off very quickly as water vapour - which is not even “wet”, well before worrying a print job.

            That’s the issue, when it “steams” out it changes the flow rate. My humid filament “drools” more, and isn’t as consistent as a fresh one. Once I’ve put the filament through my food dehydrator for a few hours it’s not as good as fresh, but it’s a lot better. This is only really an issue if I leave the filament out for months on end. If I’m printing like crazy and get through the spool quickly it’s not really an issue until towards the end. That’s the reason people have these fancy ass boxes to store their filament.

      • gerdesj@lemmy.mlEnglish
        11·
        2 months ago

        Perhaps, but have you actually tested this for yourself?

        PLA is extruded at 220C in my Prusa beastie. Once the filament is slapped on the model, I probably want it to to fuse to the previous layer really well and then cool really fast and become stable.

        We need to provide working and results rather than “I think that”. My printer is quite close to a very large double doors to outside, which open and shut as required.

        • notfromhere@lemmy.mlEnglish
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          2 months ago

          I have a cheapo 3d printer and have ran into this numerous enough times enough that I built a plexiglass enclosure.

    • morbidcactus@lemmy.caEnglish
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      2 months ago

      Mine live outside in the garage , I built a Corsi-Rosenthal box (box fan with a bunch of filters on it) that stays on out there, and both of mine are in fairly decently sealed enclosures with HEPA+Carbon recirc filters.

      Don’t go in there when printing unless absolutely necessary, and even then, minimise exposure.

  • MissJinx@lemmy.worldEnglish
    157·
    2 months ago

    I could tell you that it was a surprise for me but it’s not and I also have a resin printer. Have you smelled that? It’s the smell of cancer building up in your brain! But to be fair, so it’s cola, coffe, fastfood, processed food, cars, every material used for building and keeping your house clean and anything diet… so you know… I was already going to have cancer, at least now I got to play with some toys while dying

    Edit: Just wanted to add that my BIL was 43 yo, vegan, fit, would work out and swim 7 days a week, would eat salad from his own backyard, lived in a rural “clean” area and meditate and didn’t like technologies… died from cancer at 43. I’m a fat slob that resin prints for 3 years and already outlived him

    • Zirconium@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      2 months ago

      Please don’t have resin in your room. It’s nasty, and use gloves to touch (I assume you do), you can get chronic dermatitis from uncured resin

      • MissJinx@lemmy.worldEnglish
        61·
        2 months ago

        oh no I don’t have it in my room, it’s in the garage, but the smell goes all around the house

        I have had dermatitis from resin in my arm (accidental) so yeah i’m aware pretty nasty stuff.

  • Lexam@lemmy.worldEnglish
    5·
    2 months ago

    I keep Ender3 V2 in an enclosure and try to keep it as closed as possible when I take out my prints. Doesn’t hurt to be safe.

  • john_lemmy@slrpnk.netEnglish
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    2 months ago

    Does anyone here have any tips on low cost ways to vent out these residues from 3D printing?

    • jabathekekEnglish
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      2 months ago

      I’ve seen cheap ikea end tables modded for enclosures. Particle board is used to seal up three sides (between each of the legs), and an acrylic panel attached with some cheap hinges goes in the last one to make a door. A hole is cut in one of the boards to allow for ventilation.

    • _haha_oh_wow_@sh.itjust.worksOPEnglish
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      2 months ago

      Print with the same setup you’d use with resin printing: It’s an enclosed tent that has filters and venting you can direct outside.

  • Tikiporch@lemmy.worldEnglish
    3·
    2 months ago

    I treat it the same way I would laser printer toner, at the very least I don’t want it on my desk.

  • jabathekekEnglish
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    2 months ago

    I sold my 3d printer for this reason because there’s no where I can keep it other than my tiny room. I want at least a large storage space that can be ventilated to turn into a sort of creation studio resplendent with a printer, sowing machine, soldering station, etc.