When Sarah Harris went in for surgery to remove her wisdom teeth in the summer of 2020, she must have thought she was in good hands. The oral surgeon she chose, Dr. James Ryan, had years of training, a good reputation and a thriving practice near her Washington, D.C.-area home. As a new patient at 23, she may never have dreamed he’d allegedly watched her when she was just 14. And Ryan would do more than take out Sarah’s teeth. Her family says he would take her self-control and eventually take her life.
Holy FUCK. Don’t read the article if you’re easily affected by true stories of evil like I am.
easily affected by true stories of evil like I am.
My brain starts playing La Mer (the Julio Iglesias version at the end of Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy or What a Wonderful World by Louis Armstrong) when I read stories like that.
Interesting left turn. For those of you who don’t know: https://youtu.be/zGcp3_OT2-0?si=NSR0wwvL8j3suxYe
I’m not sure what the reference is supposed to be, but I’m pretty sure that this is the original version.
Holy shit that sounds scary
This is why I thought Blink Twice was the most realistic horror movie I’ve ever seen. I new that kind of thing was happening some place.
Quite messed up of James.
terrible, but how is that news-worthy?
CBS News is shilling for their parent which cut a docudrama with the story.
It’s all in a report titled “Depraved Heart Murder,” airing Saturday Oct. 5 at 10/9c on CBS and streaming on Paramount+.
“report”
This article is suuuuper heavy handed.
Over the coming months, he wore Sarah down, says Tina Harris, by showering her with attention, gifts and travel — even paying travel expenses for the other Harrises too.
Wore her down? Fuck, wear me down daddy.
And, how many times are they going to bring up that 14 thing? She was 23! Just because the dude said (paraphrased) “hey I remember seeing you before” doesn’t mean he was beating off to her.
Other than the drugs part, he just sound like a horny dude, and she was into it.
He went to her restaurant and got her as a server… yeah no shit. If I know someone at a restaurant, I get them as a server.
Now about those drugs… dude is super irresponsible. Dude is probably an addict. However, she probably had her fair share of drugs. Ketamine can be a fun time, but it’s dangerous. And he should not have given someone an injectable drug, and allowed them to inject themselves. He’s a doctor ffs. He not the dude on the block who can get you high.
Drugs can kill. Don’t inject them. 😩
Bro that’s not even an accurate summary of the article. Do you have zero reading comprehension or do you just enjoy defending at best borderline pedos?
Yeah, that is an awful take.
I think it’s more trying to be edgy than reading comprehension. Although, going into an article with that mindset affecting your whole life definitely does shade your comprehension.
Right? Let’s just ignore that he was basically stalking her from 14 on.
Explain to me your understanding of the article. I don’t know how he’s a pedo because she was 23, and the only reference to her being 14 was the mother who said that he said She was pretty. My point is that this article is very heavy-handed, and was carefully written to sound like she was 14 when any of them started. She was 23
Other people have explained it to you, and the article is right fucking there for you to click on and read, which you’ve ostensibly already done. I’m not going to waste my time further with a person like you.
You realise it’s an article about a TV series which only quotes a grieving mother and a retired cop right?
Maybe take another look at the article with just a modicum of scepticism.
No one has explained anything. Someone said he raped her but nowhere in the Article does it say that. It’s just a lot of quotes from the mother, who understandably is pissed off. But even the article said that none of her statements could be corroborated.
Believe me, I’m not defending him For giving her drugs, I’m just criticizing the writing.
Just gotta get the last word in huh? You fucking blocked bro.
lol
Rage quit LOL.
Here, I’ll take this up. The article also quotes text messages between them wherein he admits he injected her with ketamine himself while she was asleep.
You are monstrous for defending this monster.
And in at least one case, Ryan appears to have actually administered the drugs to Sarah himself. On Dec. 20, 2021, he’d written “If you wake up … I just went to change, after I gave you Ketamine just now …”
This message? That’s not what this says.
If I asked someone to give me ketamine, and they did, I would go to sleep. If I woke up and wondered where they were, it would be nice of them to have left me a message saying they’d just gone to get changed and would come back.
OTOH if someone gave me ketamime while I was asleep in order to control me somehow, they probably wouldn’t leave me a message telling me they had done so.
I’m not defending HIM, I’m criticizing the article for trying to paint a different picture. He’s definitely abusing drugs, and helping her abuse drugs. He’s definitely guilty of supplying, and probably assisted with the dose that killed her.
But, he’s not a child molester, as the article suggests. And, he’s not “grooming” her. The mother sure didn’t complain when he took both of them on vacations.
He’s just a really irresponsible person who knows better.
You downplayed his actions with the drugs as “irresponsible” (earlier and again now) and only talked about him making drugs available to her rather than forcefully injecting them when she couldn’t consent.
He predated on a very young patient. Whether or not the mother’s claims about his comments are true, he is clearly a manipulative monster.
The article talks both about the evidence and the mother’s statements. You look really bad here.
You’re claiming the article is saying something by quoting her relatives. Weird.
“How dare them spin this with their interviews of the victim’s family!”
Wow I’m feeling sorry for you my dude. You’re correct and everyone is too dense to read the article…infuriating.
Honestly sometimes getting downvoted to oblivion on Lemmy is a key indicator that you’re not 14 and have some life experience beyond selfhosting a minecraft server.
The article is a promotion for a docudrama.
Of course what happened to her is truly, genuinely sad, but millions of young women lose or ruin their lives over drugs every year. They don’t get their own docudrama because they’re less pretty, or less relatable, or have less respectable abusers.
lemmy reading comprehension strikes again
Elaborate
The only person that claims there was some kind of a relationship prior to the guy and girl meeting is the mother.
If there was any strong evidence to this story it would have been tested in court. The article specifically says that was not the case. Which means it’s basically heresay about his interest in her when she was 14.
This article just sensationalises that piece of information instead of focussing on the real crime which was a doctor giving his potentially addicted partner drugs.
Exactly.
I wanted to agree with you at some point here, but I just can’t bring myself to it.
He didn’t just notice her at 14, he kept on pursuing her. He frequented the toy store she worked at with his family. He then frequented the restaurant when she was a server (doesn’t say what age). It paints a pretty clear picture of obsession.
He also had already knocked up one of his office staff outside of his marriage. It doesn’t seem that this person has much regard for women.
Sure gifts, dinners and travel are part of courtship, but the line gets damn hazy when you start introducing drugs (particularly ones you prescribe) into the mix. I think as a society we certainly should frown upon that.
There’s a lot of questions about what age things happened at. The article is very vague on purpose. Now, I’m not trying to say that anything he did was right, just that this article is very carefully written to make you think he’s some kind of child molester. These are also quotes from the mother, and may or may not be true at all.
He also got convicted by a jury of his peers.
For the Death. Of which he is responsible, yes.
I mostly agree.
Yes the guy was criminally reckless with the drugs he had access to professionally.
The rest of this article is just a narrative really.
Plenty of people do drugs in their 20s. She was getting them from her sugar daddy. Every parent that lost a child to addiction could write a similar story.
What’s more startling is that users here somehow think that 50 year olds don’t want to party with 23 year old beauty pageant hotties, and that 23 year old beauty pageant hotties don’t want to do drugs and live large with 50 year old dudes.
Yep. He fucked up because he was in a relationship with an addict who he should not have supplied drugs to.
Imagine taking the time to write a wall of text in defence of a rapist.
You’re telling on yourself.
Where was it that he raped her?
Dude is a manipulative creep. He spent years stalking her, love-and-money-bombed her and her family to get her affection, then used drugs to control her until they killed her.
If you think anything he did is remotely normal, I feel sorry for the women in your life.
No… he didn’t. He met her at 23. The mother claimed he had seen her before. But there is no timeline of events. She wasn’t 14 working at a restaurant. Also, the mother was totally cool with them dating…. Which is why she went with them as a group on vacation and was having drinks on his dime.
You need to take a breath and read that article again with the understanding that most of it is hearsay, and the writer is purposefully trying to cast him as a child molester when nothing actually points to that besides the vague comments from the mother.
But yes, he did provide the drugs that killed her, and was most likely present when they were administered, and he should be punished for manslaughter.
Can you help me understand love-and-money-bombed?
That sounds kinda great compared to my 20s, in which I had no love nor money and was ultimately miserable and lonely.
I’m struggling.
This sounds like the start of most relationships.
Perhaps separated by degree, but mostly the wealth imbalance.
Right 50 year old showers young desirable woman with gifts, hardly uncommon.
In this case it is not a normal relationship. The person who is love bombing is not being genuine. They are manipulating someone to get what they want.
50 year olds pursuing 20 year olds is not common and definitely is creepy when it happens.
That’s subjective.
If you have a narrow definition of a “normal relationship” then sure, anything else is creepy and weird and someone must be manipulating someone.
I’m sorry to inform you that there are a great many 50 year olds who would absolutely party with 23 year olds given the means. In fact I would suggest that almost all sexually active 50 year olds, who are free of romantic entanglement would knock on that door. Fewer would be interested in setting up a long term committed relationship, but still a significant portion. Bars and brothels and strip clubs are full to the brim with these “abnormals” every night of the week.
Actually, there are a great many cultures in which this type of age disparity is the norm. I’m certainly not arguing that it’s ideal or even “better” than your definition of a “normal relationship”, just demonstrating that your views are indeed subjective.
It’s really only creepy if the 23 year old doesn’t appreciate the attention, or doesn’t reciprocate, or is manipulated.
Yes it would be possible for a 50 year old to manipulate a 23 year old with lavish gifts. It’s also possible for a 23 year old to manipulate a 23 year old with lavish gifts. It’s also possible for a 23 year old to manipulate a 50 year old into giving them lavish gifts. It’s also possible for a 50 year old to simply want to impress the object of his desires with nice things.
It’s absolutely fine for you to find the age disparity creepy. It’s also absolutely fine for others to engage in this type of relationship.
It is not really subjective. A fifty year old pursuing someone who is less than half their age is the very definition of creepy. I get you are playing devil’s advocate here cause “love exists” no matter what the age.
Well here is a ugly wake up call, most 50 year olds would certainly turn down being pursued by someone half their age. Most 50 year olds are not pursuing someone who could be younger than their kids.
I get it, you are the kind of guy who would fuck his daughter’s friend. You might not have kids and are lacking the perspective that it is basically sleeping with a child. You might just be some creep who likes to manipulate someone much younger than you.
Whatever it is, I am here to tell you that most people think it is creepy and unacceptable. How many healthy relationships have you seen with this age gap in your lifetime? This is probably some kind of fantasy you have that you are trying to justify here.
One fact is that you’re defending a convicted killer, so the jury disagrees with you. The other thing is that you’re willing to err on the side of being horrible. Not a good look at all.
None of that is happening. Gaslighting won’t make you right. Shame on you.
Your words speak for themselves
That’s what words do Sherlock.
In with you, man. That headline made what it was supposed to make: a sensation from a common story about drug addicts.
