I listed very clear options for people in Florida. You didn’t refute or correct them, you just changed the subject to appeal to some kind of guilt, which is telling.
I. Don’t. Care. Florida citizens are very clearly and consistently voting people into office who support this bullshit. Until it bites them in the ass, they will continue to vote that way, because they have their cake and can eat it, too. It’s not my job to protect them from the pain either a) they’re inflicting upon themselves, or b) their neighbors are inflicting upon them.
A large section of Floridians do not vote for Ron Desantis and are subject to things like gerrymandering which prevent their votes from mattering in the first place. Most of the people who do vote for these policies are people who place no value whatsoever on education in the first place. Your policy would end up fucking over an entire state based on the actions of a minority of its residents.
A large section of Floridians do not vote for Ron Desantis and are subject to things like gerrymandering which prevent their votes from mattering in the first place.
Marco Rubio got almost 58% of the vote in 2022. DeSantis got over 59%. Moody got over 60%. Patronis 59.5%. Simpson 59%. All statewide races. 59.36% of FL House race votes went to Republicans. 60.07% of FL Senate race votes went to Republicans. Across the board and with remarkable consistency, 60% of your neighbors have voted to gut your education system and teach your kids fantasies. Don’t shoot the messenger.
Most of the people who do vote for these policies are people who place no value whatsoever on education in the first place.
So be it. That’s a problem for the people of Florida to sort out.
Your policy would end up fucking over an entire state based on the actions of a minority of its residents.
Majority. A clear majority. And it’s their actions that are fucking over your entire state, not mine.
Marco Rubio got almost 58% of the vote in 2022. DeSantis got over 59%. Moody got over 60%. Patronis 59.5%. Simpson 59%. All statewide races. 59.36% of FL House race votes went to Republicans. 60.07% of FL Senate race votes went to Republicans. Across the board and with remarkable consistency, 60% of your neighbors have voted to gut your education system and teach your kids fantasies. Don’t shoot the messenger.
This can be attributed to the fact that Democrats have completely abandoned the idea of campaigning in Florida and the fact that the Florida government is well-known to engage in voter suppression efforts.
Majority. A clear majority. And it’s their actions that are fucking over your entire state, not mine.
Nearly half of Floridians don’t even vote for various reasons including but not limited to voter suppression, so nah, it’s a minority of residents. I’m also highly doubtful that colleges not accepting high school diplomas from an entire state would even be considered legal, so I think I’ll be fine.
This can be attributed to the fact that Democrats have completely abandoned the idea of campaigning in Florida and the fact that the Florida government is well-known to engage in voter suppression efforts.
No. It can be attributed to the fact that 60% of the people who vote, vote for Republicans. It’s really not more complicated than that. If somebody stands in front of a lecture hall and screams, “if you vote for me I will poison your dog!”, and you still vote for that person, then it’s not the fault of the town veterinarian for failing to show up to tell you why that’s a bad thing and to vote for someone else instead. Every single statewide race had a challenger in 2022, and 60% of your neighbors chose not to vote for that challenger. At this point, I’m only left with the conclusion that they really hated the dog and wanted it gone.
Nearly half of Floridians don’t even vote for various reasons including but not limited to voter suppression, so nah, it’s a minority of residents.
Tough shit. Get off your ass or live with the consequences of your apathy.
I’m also highly doubtful that colleges not accepting high school diplomas from an entire state would even be considered legal, so I think I’ll be fine.
Colleges can accept whatever curricula meet their basic requirements. They’re well within their institutional legality to opt to refuse admission to students who don’t qualify, because…that’s literally what they do every single day. The fact that FL students (should) no longer qualify is a testament to the fact that their teachers no longer teach the truth, not the fact that the university suddenly changed their standards.
Stop blaming literally everyone except your neighbors. They’re the ones voting for this bullshit. The rest of us are just shining a light on our conundrum. Don’t shoot the messenger.
Aight, whatever then. You’re obviously not worth speaking to, but luckily, you’ll never be in a position to put your words into action, so I don’t need to. I’m gonna carry on with my day.
I’ll sum up this hard truth with an analogy: “You must be this tall to ride this rollercoaster” has nothing to do with punishing short kids. It prevents injury to short kids.
The thing is, letting kids with sub-par K-12 education into higher ed isn’t doing them any favors. It sets them up for potentially devastating failure. Many of them will be so far behind that they’ll fail within the first year. It’s not that they’re not smart, or they’re not hard workers. They simply lack the foundation that their peers already have. They’ll need remedial coursework before they can even try to re-take the standard curriculum. Or they may be able to limp through some basic classes before failing a year later.
Imagine that scenario for all the kids in an entire state.
And to continue your point - you’re right that poor kids are punished. They’re punished all across the US, but it has nothing to do with whether they’re admitted to university. It’s because their K-12 schools are funded by local property taxes. Rich districts get good schools with better teachers, and access to better materials and opportunities. Poor districts have few resources, more (on average) parental apathy towards education, and poorer outcomes. Even the top ranked kids from poor schools may struggle when they reach college.
Florida is trying to expand that disadvantage to an entire state. The fact that out of state admission officers will look at a HS degree from Florida the same way they’d look at one from a homeschooled kid isn’t a suggestion or a proposal. It’s a fact.
I actually doubt that most institutions will actually go so far as to look at Floridian credentials differently because that could be brought to the courts as discriminatory behavior. Given the current makeup of the Supreme Court, it might end up being struck down. The controversy would still be immense if not. Most institutions wouldn’t want that sort of heat on them.
Everything else you’ve said is, unfortunately, true, however, if someone’s test scores and other credentials are still good enough, like mine and many others are, then rejecting them over where they got their diploma is just straight up wrong.
I listed very clear options for people in Florida. You didn’t refute or correct them, you just changed the subject to appeal to some kind of guilt, which is telling.
I. Don’t. Care. Florida citizens are very clearly and consistently voting people into office who support this bullshit. Until it bites them in the ass, they will continue to vote that way, because they have their cake and can eat it, too. It’s not my job to protect them from the pain either a) they’re inflicting upon themselves, or b) their neighbors are inflicting upon them.
A large section of Floridians do not vote for Ron Desantis and are subject to things like gerrymandering which prevent their votes from mattering in the first place. Most of the people who do vote for these policies are people who place no value whatsoever on education in the first place. Your policy would end up fucking over an entire state based on the actions of a minority of its residents.
Marco Rubio got almost 58% of the vote in 2022. DeSantis got over 59%. Moody got over 60%. Patronis 59.5%. Simpson 59%. All statewide races. 59.36% of FL House race votes went to Republicans. 60.07% of FL Senate race votes went to Republicans. Across the board and with remarkable consistency, 60% of your neighbors have voted to gut your education system and teach your kids fantasies. Don’t shoot the messenger.
So be it. That’s a problem for the people of Florida to sort out.
Majority. A clear majority. And it’s their actions that are fucking over your entire state, not mine.
This can be attributed to the fact that Democrats have completely abandoned the idea of campaigning in Florida and the fact that the Florida government is well-known to engage in voter suppression efforts.
Nearly half of Floridians don’t even vote for various reasons including but not limited to voter suppression, so nah, it’s a minority of residents. I’m also highly doubtful that colleges not accepting high school diplomas from an entire state would even be considered legal, so I think I’ll be fine.
No. It can be attributed to the fact that 60% of the people who vote, vote for Republicans. It’s really not more complicated than that. If somebody stands in front of a lecture hall and screams, “if you vote for me I will poison your dog!”, and you still vote for that person, then it’s not the fault of the town veterinarian for failing to show up to tell you why that’s a bad thing and to vote for someone else instead. Every single statewide race had a challenger in 2022, and 60% of your neighbors chose not to vote for that challenger. At this point, I’m only left with the conclusion that they really hated the dog and wanted it gone.
Tough shit. Get off your ass or live with the consequences of your apathy.
Colleges can accept whatever curricula meet their basic requirements. They’re well within their institutional legality to opt to refuse admission to students who don’t qualify, because…that’s literally what they do every single day. The fact that FL students (should) no longer qualify is a testament to the fact that their teachers no longer teach the truth, not the fact that the university suddenly changed their standards.
Stop blaming literally everyone except your neighbors. They’re the ones voting for this bullshit. The rest of us are just shining a light on our conundrum. Don’t shoot the messenger.
Aight, whatever then. You’re obviously not worth speaking to, but luckily, you’ll never be in a position to put your words into action, so I don’t need to. I’m gonna carry on with my day.
Good luck with your shitty neighbors. They clearly don’t give a damn about you or your children.
I’ll sum up this hard truth with an analogy: “You must be this tall to ride this rollercoaster” has nothing to do with punishing short kids. It prevents injury to short kids.
The thing is, letting kids with sub-par K-12 education into higher ed isn’t doing them any favors. It sets them up for potentially devastating failure. Many of them will be so far behind that they’ll fail within the first year. It’s not that they’re not smart, or they’re not hard workers. They simply lack the foundation that their peers already have. They’ll need remedial coursework before they can even try to re-take the standard curriculum. Or they may be able to limp through some basic classes before failing a year later.
Imagine that scenario for all the kids in an entire state.
And to continue your point - you’re right that poor kids are punished. They’re punished all across the US, but it has nothing to do with whether they’re admitted to university. It’s because their K-12 schools are funded by local property taxes. Rich districts get good schools with better teachers, and access to better materials and opportunities. Poor districts have few resources, more (on average) parental apathy towards education, and poorer outcomes. Even the top ranked kids from poor schools may struggle when they reach college.
Florida is trying to expand that disadvantage to an entire state. The fact that out of state admission officers will look at a HS degree from Florida the same way they’d look at one from a homeschooled kid isn’t a suggestion or a proposal. It’s a fact.
I actually doubt that most institutions will actually go so far as to look at Floridian credentials differently because that could be brought to the courts as discriminatory behavior. Given the current makeup of the Supreme Court, it might end up being struck down. The controversy would still be immense if not. Most institutions wouldn’t want that sort of heat on them.
Everything else you’ve said is, unfortunately, true, however, if someone’s test scores and other credentials are still good enough, like mine and many others are, then rejecting them over where they got their diploma is just straight up wrong.