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I feel like it’s much more often someone being called left when they’re really a liberal, fash, red fash, etc.
It’s so funny to see Alex Jones present himself as above left-right politics despite constantly spewing far right BS.
Everytime I have a discussion with someone who says “both sides are the same”, they always end up voting right. I ask if both sides are the same why not vote left?
Everybody votes right-wing in usa. There are no left-wing candidates just liberals.
Cool!
Deep.
Let’s just start with the fact that American political system is super skewed to begin with and no actual left has any power.
Dems are highly pro-capitalist, moderately nationalist and merely call to strike a bit less horrible balance between the interests of people and businesses. This is not left, this is a bit better right.
This fallacy keeps people trapped in an idea that the only possible options are “good” ultra-capitalism and “greedy” ultra-capitalism, which is not true.
People that try to have “both sides heard” totally ignore that there are way more than two angles in this conversation and that Dems are not some sort of a political extreme. Reps, ironically, kinda are.
And Democrats often think they vote for something actually good, when it’s actually just a lesser evil. Keep that in mind, no matter what you decide.
I’ve had a guy tell me he votes for Trump because he’s trying to take a balanced centrist view of things. But dude, if Trump is the center, wtf are your extremes?
Homie just heard a bunch of words online and attempted to string them together into a coherent political opinion. They failed, but hey they tried.
Please describe someone who could be considered neither left nor right. Is it possible you are viewing the absence of left-wing qualities as being right-wing?
It’s weird how often people say they “Aren’t for Right or the Left” and “Think BOTH parties are the problem”, but only ever have negative things to say about the Left.
Concern Trolls are not your friends
It betrays a deep level of self-awareness of being on the “bad” side and knowing that if you say your actual values around a large number of normal people you will face criticism and attacks, so it’s shame. Centerism is almost always some level of shame, or at best woefully immature ignorance of actual politics.
It’s weird how people think usa has a left-wing party.
It’s weird how you made it your personal mission is to correct “other people’s wrong opinions”.
Get over yourself 💁
well the richest guy on the planet and the republican party candidate both are trying to portray kamala harris as a communist when she’s possibly slightly to the right of nixon.
I do think the media needs to be broken up, the lack of competition for big media (including social media) has resulted in some level of complacency with unhinged conspiracies.
Damn this hits. I’ve worked with a lot of guys who “don’t vote, don’t pay attention” that are defacto conservative in their beliefs.
Most men in general are by default conservative because society was kinda built around prioritizing men’s feelings/sensibilities. Of course equality for all feels like being oppressed if your normal is privilege.
I have yet to meet a right wing surfer, admittedly I haven’t been surfing for long, so I’m sure it will happen.
Because if you don’t pay attention you simply are ok with the status quo which is inherently conservative.
Most of the time this exact meme is reposted by a red fascist zealot though
Anyone claiming to be undecided on Trump and the GOP in 2024 is full of shit.
I’m undecided on Trump and the GOP in 2024, I can’t tell if they’re brutally evil or evilly brutal.
I’m a centrist. I say they’re brutally evil AND evilly brutal, and I would even add the hot-take as an ENLIGHTENED centrist that they’re probably also stupid.
When the whole world is USA!
The whole world is inundated with news about the election, looking on in horror at the fact that Trump, in spite of everything has a 50/50 shot at the presidency. The fact that he remains viable is one of the worst enditements possible on the US government and people.
Yeah - we see you guys, and we’ve decided.
Worst indictments
I dunno. English…
Oof - yep - I was way off on that one - thanks.
I’ll leave that as-is though.
MTG would have called it an indication.
But as a northern neighbor to this clown party, I cannot agree more.
Stop fucking around, the USA! You’re supposed to model this shit for everyone! You want some other countries’ movies to get more popular than yours?!
You mean other people outside the US can’t educate themselves, if they care to, about trump?
No its fine! But the whole world has left and right in their political spectrum, yet every comment in here is about USA (and one(?) about France)
Well, yes…this instance and community are full of Americans, so that’s the viewpoint the comments will revolve around.
Please do offer your country’s difficulties with right wing politics instead of a sarcastic comment. The more we all know of nationalist, populist, and theocratic fascists trying to make inroads around the world the better.
“I’m no Trump supporter, but…” is the new “I’m no racist, but…”.
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Did anybody ever think once that this dude was left-wing?
Why don’t you tell us more (nvm, you have lmao)
No but he did protest very loudly that he was “neither left nor right” during his first election which of course really meant “neither left nor left”
The extreme center, no political ideology, only opportunism!
A banker is true neutral, he follows the money.
#Switzerland #NaziGold
tbf we all should have known the moment he said he was going to rule like a Graeco-Roman god.
Economically I’m leaning right - I want the state to provide free healthcare, schools, universities etc but founding a company has to be easier, we can’t afford to keep pouring 1/3 of our yearly budget into pensions on top of the budget for pensions etc.
Socially I’m leaning left - I don’t care at all if someone is trans, homosexual, whatever, and want men and women to have equal rights.
So I am neither left or right. And there also is a party that aligns with most of my beliefs (and is against some others but there never is a perfect party).
The issue is that internet politics are often viewed from a USA-centric standpoint. When I say I’m neither left nor right (because it depends on the topic, as explained above) I see memes like that come up. Although my economically right views for my country would be far left from an US-american standpoint anyway.
Economically I’m leaning right - I want the state to provide free healthcare, schools, universities etc but founding a company has to be easier, we can’t afford to keep pouring 1/3 of our yearly budget into pensions on top of the budget for pensions etc.
The policies you listed would be considered left leaning. Conservatives generally want to defund healthcare, schools, universities, etc in favor of implementing a private for-profit model. Although, I’m confused what you mean by making a business easier to create, and what that has to do with pensions and putting in more than 1/3 of a business’ operating budget into pensions. Seems like an unrelated issue.
Socially I’m leaning left - I don’t care at all if someone is trans, homosexual, whatever, and want men and women to have equal rights. So I am neither left or right. And there also is a party that aligns with most of my beliefs (and is against some others but there never is a perfect party).
Actually, your policy priorities you’ve listed here make you staunchly left on the political spectrum.
Agreed, outside of union employees (teachers, police, teamsters) what employer is paying into pensions still? Certainly no small businesses are, right? Pensions are largely dead. I don’t know the numbers, but small business owners bigger costs are providing healthcare and other benefits, not pensions. Maybe I’m misunderstanding something, but this person sounds like they’re a centrist democrat on both sides of the economic/social divide.
state education and healthcare while a centrist idea in the 60s is now “communism”
You’re right wing. Just not a bigot.
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It’s because they identify 100% with the party but don’t want the negative flack it rightfully deserves, so they pretend to be centrist.
This has actually been studied
Anti-Authoritarians and Moderates view it as best to be seen as Anti-Authoritarians, Authoritarians view it best to be seen as Moderates.
They literally view opportunistic claiming of the center not just as a political tool but as a social survival tactic to not be ostracized for their bullshit.
Drag would like to have a link to a study so drag can cite it in the future
What makes you qualified to speak for the entire drag community?
Drag is not a community, drag is a dragon rider.
Go back to Pern where you came from
How about a little compassion! That’s a big jump between Sol and Rukbat. That there even is a pernese here is a testament to their enduring spirit. Aivas would be proud!
Never thought I’d see anti-immigrant sentiment on here
“Rider”* whether thon ride dragons or “rider” is thon’s nickname is unclear.
Drag rides dragons and also “rides” dragons
Bad dragon. Be clear.
Exactly this. Many of them are concerned about how it might affect their work too and their families if they found out they’re were horrible racist people.
It’s part of the reason why the KKK wore clokes
It used to be libertarians that did this shit. Too afraid to commit to the bit, but still want to appear as if they’re the good guys.
yeah… Here in Australia, they were also the only political party around who never removed their shitty signage after the election (and they legally have to). I’m surprised the Election council didn’t do it for them and send them the bill. I think the problem with those wankers is that they constantly try to get away with dodgy actions, and they end up being successful so many times, that they just keep doing it
Oh this is the classic : “I’m socially progressive, but fiscally conservative” LOL
Fiscally conservative somehow means hoarding money under the mattress instead of investing in projects like infrastructure, an educated populace, a healthy populace, or an environment that is habitable.
Code for “I’m conservative but know a gay person and/or once smoked a marijuana.”
The thing is real fiscal conservatism relies on evidence. They just want to sell off the government so they can make a profit replacing it. A real fiscal conservative would have already passed universal education, universal healthcare, universal background checks, taken military procurement to task, and repealed half of the laws restricting unions.
The Republicans talk about laws that spend less and create more revenue, but they fight tooth and nail against ones that actually would do that.
no no, republicans don’t want the govt to make revenue. tax cuts, ridiculously complicated tax code, gutting the IRS… all to let rich people keep as much money as possible.
Or as they say, “make government small… Enough to drown in a bath tub”
The US government is so small it already fits in an uterus!
So, a Democrat?
Well the bar is six feet under when you compare Democrats to Republicans. Democrats appears leftwing simply because Republicans went further to the right on the spectrum unfortunately. If you place Democrats in Canada or Western Europe, they would be considered a right wing government, or centrist if we stretch it.
So much this. The only thing that remedied US Democrats in this sense was their LGBT stances being more progressed than in many Western European countries. Otherwise they are in the right/far right/neoliberal spectrum by European standards.
At this point anybody can just download all the financial freedom they want, nobody is stopping us. So our votes only even matter for social issues anymore.
