• BroBot9000@lemmy.world
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    “Ms O’Connor converted to Islam in 2018 and changed her name to Shuhada Sadaqat, though continued to perform under the name Sinead O’Connor.”

    That’s utterly bizarre. Thought she was against the church and child abuse.

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      Yeah what? She is seen fighting patriarchy but joins one of the most oppressive religions

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        Exactly. Seems so bizarre to me. I’ll rip a picture of the pope because of child abuse but then I’ll join a religion that prays to a deity that took a child bride at 6 and consummated the marriage when she was 9…

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      She was against the church at least, not sure about against abuse…

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          Wasn’t she Christian? I thought she famously demanded to be excommunicated from the church and was at one point ordained as a priest.

          Either way though kinda unfair to call something as broad a Islam a cult. There are quite famously thousands of different sects of Islamic belief and philosophy and they disagree quite a lot with each other. Islam, like Christianity, has become an amorphous belief system that can really be whatever you want it to be so long as you live somewhere religion isn’t forced upon you. There are many Muslims who would definitely not support child marriage for instance, and there are also plenty who (obviously wrongly) would support it. But its not really fair to treat both groups of people as though they are one. You don’t really know how any individual Muslim or Christian may think or feel about anything purely based on their self-identifiying as muslim or christian.

          I’m opposed to the existence of any hierarchy, including of course religious hierarchy and the existence of clergy as a class of people with authority. But I don’t think anyone is wrong purely for being religious at all. I wouldn’t describe someone believing in God or Allah as being in a cult.

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            Theres basically no difference between a cult or a religion. A religion just is a big cult.

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              If your primary concern around religious discrimination is “reality”, then it doesn’t sound like you belong on a sub for witches and other magic users.

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            This community is actually pro-coven and pro-cult. We are far more suspicious of large religions than small ones, due to the greater potential for abuse. The image of cults as abusive is a christian invention designed to eliminate the competition. It’s the exact same tactic they used during the witch hunts, and we don’t stand for that sort of thing.

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          Christianity and Islam are not cults. The original meaning of cult is “a small religion”. This new definition of cult as “an abusive religion” was invented by christians trying to destroy small religions. We don’t stand for that definition here, because many witches and other magic users are part of cults that are not abusive.

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      This is such a hilarious take to me, because I see incel idiots describing women (and especially liberated women) as fatherless all the time, but my father was an amazing role model who had a very active presence in my life, well until I was an adult and living on my own, and he finally died of the hereditary blood disorder that’ll probably kill me, too.

      And the thing is, I’m middle-aged, and have my own husband and family now, and I know my father would be proud of me. And he was a Catholic Republican! If he was alive, we would have lots to disagree on, sure, but we would respect each other while we did so.

      That’s why I always laugh when I see this crap about how women who dye their hair or own a cat or believe in women having rights is a result of a lack of love from a male father figure. Because the truth is, every time I see it, I think;

      “Now, this is the hot take of a man who is repeating the advice of his only father figure- some overpaid, no-chin chucklefuck he found on YouTube.”